Had to give Epi Today!

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I want to share my experience hoping it can help someone else, and to review for myself what I learned today.

Got a call a student was choking in the classroom, and when I said "choking?" the TA said "well, coughing and she cannot stop." I get to the room to find the 17 year old holding her stomach, drooling, very mild cough, and constant sneezing. Eyes are closed, she is special needs and has a seizure disorder, but this does not look like seizures to me. Staff says she was just finishing her rice meal when this started, and she has not history of allergy and this is a meal she eats all the time.

I first try to talk to her to see if I can calm her, assess her alertness . . . she can follow instructions to squeeze my hand. Lips and nail beds pink, no swelling, no wheezing, no retractions around neck or clavicle area. As I talked to her the coughing intermittently slows and honestly, at times, sounds forced, so there is a part of me that is wondering if there is something behavioral going on (it has happened) but I know the sneezing is real. I wonder if it's some kind of reflex reaction and is the cough and sneezing are related.

After 5 -7 minutes it is not stopping, so I ask office to call 911 for a teen student in respiratory distress. I then start to wonder if this is an unknown allergic reaction. I ask someone to retrieve the EPI pen from my office.

Myself and the teacher continue to try to keep her calm, and while it all continues, there is no worsening or improvement.

At the 15 min mark I tell the teacher I am giving EPI - I don't know what this is but I am concerned about some kind of throat swelling. 30 sec after EPI the cough slows a little, again at the 1 minute mark, and by 2-3 minutes all symptoms stop. In the meantime, EMS arrives. O2 sats are good and lungs are clear. They suspect she started choking and had airway narrowing, and the EPI opened her up.

I am going to have a meeting of all my EPI trained staff next week to share with them the signs I saw, and use this as a teaching moment for all of us. If I was having a hard time deciding what to do, it gave me insight into what it will be like for a lay person. I need to reinforce that better to give it if there is any question than not give it.

I will be honest . . . I think I waited too long to give it. I was trying to be systematic in my assessment and other than the coughing, no signs of respiratory distress. But I kept thinking that if this goes on, it's going to progress to respiratory distress and then I will have a bigger problem.

Off to the hospital she went. I am sure she will be fine. But if anyone has any comments to contribute (and please feel free to offer constructive criticism . . I want to use this as a learning opportunity), please do. Mostly, at what point would you have given it? That is what I am struggling with. I know if there were any signs of worsening, noisy resp., retractions, color change, it would have been an no-brainer. Without any of those signs, it was the longevity of the situation that became concerning to me.

Thanks for listening!

Specializes in anesthesiology.
I'd also hesitate to discuss this with lay people, they may give it quickly to someone having a classic Asthma attack based on this.

I think the timing of this sounds good. She wasn't tanking rapidly and you waited to see if calming strategies improved anything. It's easy to forget that calming strategies aren't instant and that a few minutes is necessary before deciding they aren't working.

Kudos to you for giving what sounds like a great assessment and treatment of a student with special needs in an atypical situation!

I'm curious as to how EMS reacted to you giving Epi in this situation. I did once for significant facial swelling (unknown insect sting on head) that wasn't swelling around the mouth/tongue, statements of chest tightness, and a LOC that was shifting into slight confusion, with fluctuation in breathing pace. Both EMS and the ER doc were very "I wouldn't have given it unless vomit, mouth swelling, etc." I think when they arrive and see that it's been resolved, it's easy to criticize.

"I wouldn't have given it unless they were vomiting?" What does vomiting have to do with an anaphylactic reaction? altered mental status (brain hypoxia), chest tightness, breathing pattern irregularities are 100% indicated for use of EPI. If you HADN'T given it and they arrived they would have said, "You should have given it earlier." What a load of crap! this is why you HAVE to do what is right because in a courtroom you have to defend your actions, and you did EXACTLY what was required. That doc and ambulance driver are a joke. No wonder everyone thinks the ED is full of idiots. You should have said, "well then I hope they send someone else next time I call 911."

Specializes in anesthesiology.

I think you did fine. They weren't decompensating so there was no need to rush. that is the hardest part, to calmly assess the situation while under stress, instead of just "react". That did not seem black and white as there were no overt S/S of respiratory distress, just the reflexive coughing and sneezing. Possibly something was stuck in their throat? Either the heimlech or EPI, and there didn't seem to be any contraindication to giving the EPI (a child is not going to have significant CAD).

"I wouldn't have given it unless they were vomiting?" What does vomiting have to do with an anaphylactic reaction? altered mental status (brain hypoxia), chest tightness, breathing pattern irregularities are 100% indicated for use of EPI. If you HADN'T given it and they arrived they would have said, "You should have given it earlier." What a load of crap! this is why you HAVE to do what is right because in a courtroom you have to defend your actions, and you did EXACTLY what was required. That doc and ambulance driver are a joke. No wonder everyone thinks the ED is full of idiots. You should have said, "well then I hope they send someone else next time I call 911."

Vomiting is a symptom of anaphylaxis but certainly not the only indicator for epi

Specializes in School Nursing.
You should have said, "well then I hope they send someone else next time I call 911."

I'm going to put this in my back pocket next time they think that my stabilized kiddo has been like that since I called for EMS.

Specializes in ICU/community health/school nursing.
Vomiting is a symptom of anaphylaxis but certainly not the only indicator for epi

And it's a definite kind of vomit...almost projectile, like the body has to get rid of whateveritwas that's making them sick.

Specializes in kids.
Vomiting is a symptom of anaphylaxis but certainly not the only indicator for epi

This! Ya done well!!!

Specializes in School nursing.
And it's a definite kind of vomit...almost projectile, like the body has to get rid of whateveritwas that's making them sick.

Or kinda a projectile gagging when there is nothing to vomit. I've seen this as well with one of students that has a diagnosed severe allergy. It is definitely different than the usual vomit episodes I see.

Great job! I agree - you didn't wait too long. Having a thorough assessment is important as part of this work up. Yes, the epi wouldn't technically hurt someone that was in distress for a different reason and got epi, but it wouldn't necessarily help them and may end up steering the course of treatment. I agree that the laymen staff propably should not be trained too far outside the general anaphylaxis treatment training. You don't want them to hammer everything that looks like a nail.

THIS!!!

Congratulations, Nurse.

Specializes in ICU/community health/school nursing.
It is definitely different than the usual vomit episodes I see.

I want to write a new instruction: Administer Epi when one or more of the symptoms is occurring:

(list all the other ones)

- vomiting that is worse than any usual vomit.

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