Saudi Arabia - Good Idea or Not

As seen by a Registered Nurse from the United States, who is now on assignment, it can be hard to adjust to hospital nursing in Saudi Arabia. That is particularly true in the hospital complex that serves the Saudi Royal Family. The very size of this facility is daunting. It is a 1 km straight walk from the front door to the back entrance. World General World Article

To an American nurse, it seems like an upside-down system.

The Policies and Procedures that fails to fall within any framework of prior hospital experiences. This is a place where the patients tell you when it is time for an assessment or for treatments or for meds. When a member of the Royal Family is admitted to a unit he/she is accompanied by a minimum of 3 and up to 14 servants. This includes a private nurse. You will get to know this nurse well because you do not administer the meds, but rather give them to the private nurse who gives them to the patient.

There is a high degree of racial prejudice against persons of color, South Africans, Hindus, and Filipinos, in this hospital. They are not allowed to work in the Complex of the Royal Family. A nurse with an American passport is considered white and is highly sought after. Co-workers will go to the American nurse and take her along with them when they want to communicate a plan of treatment to a family member of a patient. She is introduced as an American nurse and does the speaking for the co-worker.

The lifestyles of the Royal Family have contributed to staggering poor health. By the time they are 40-50 years old, you will find patients in this unit, male and female, have osteoporosis from lack of activity. By the time they reach 50 most of these patients have often given up on life because they have nothing to do except indulge themselves. It is sad to see them on heparin because they choose to stay in bed. They can be observed sleeping all day and eating all night. Since they are royal, you cannot tell them what to do or how to do it, even if it is for their own good. A patient may be on an insulin drip for a week while gorging on food the whole time. These patients have an inordinate amount of cancer and genetic disorders, and one in three are diabetic. It is not unusual to see a handsome prince, dressed in pristine white, clean and sweet smelling, with a body wasted by muscle atrophy.

An order for DNR does not exist, except on paper. There are upwards of 6,000 members of the Saudi Royal Family. Each one is eligible to receive a share of the Family fortune, as it is doled out. Therefore, the aged and/or infirm are kept alive by all means possible. This hospital houses an entire wing of patients who are in persistent vegetative states or are on vents or other means of artificial life support. As long as they live, their family members have a closer link to the crown and they are eligible for stipends that will be managed by their guardians.

Advantages of working as a nurse in this outpost are notable.

American nurses command the highest rate of pay. Transportation, to and from Saudi for each assignment, is paid. A one year contract can include a 2 week paid vacation. A Re-up bonus for a second year is often offered. There is no Saudi tax to pay and very few living expenses since housing is provided. There may be favorable tax treatment by the IRS as well. Uniforms are provided and will be worn, without covering, only while on duty. At all other times, when in public, a nurse must be covered head to toe with the burka. Segregated swimming pools, tennis courts, and fitness centers, etc. are provided and offer diversion. Taxis or buses are available to provide transportation to leave the complex to go shopping or site-seeing. Everything in the shopping center seems to be made in China. But, the Super Markets are great. There, you will find food from all over the world. You can spend hours just tasting special imports of the best honey, or 28 different kinds of olives on the olive counters. Hint: You might find the sweet olives are horrible. However, you may never have seen such dates. They are to die for.

Disadvantages of going to this outpost need to be pointed out. American nurses are sometimes vulnerable because they can be naive. They have enjoyed the Constitutional protection of a democratic government. They do not always carefully consider that they do not have that same protection when they leave the borders of their homeland. A study of the customs and culture of the country to which they are going is a must. Most important is an understanding of the system of government and laws.

According to the U.S. Department Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2000-2001, this Islamic country is ruled by Sharia Law, and Women's Rights are virtually non-existent. Although a state of world-wide unrest exists with the Radical Islamic countries, because of oil reserves, a policy of appeasement has been adopted by the United States. Americans in Saudi Arabia must depend on this fragile relationship to continue in order to have a semblance of safety while they are in that country. It is important to know the facts and not live in the romantic fantasy of The Arabian Nights.

In Saudi Arabia, the government seems to be made up of a system of checks and balances. The Royal Family controls the money. Money is "Power". The Islamic Radicals are the Rulers because they interpret the Law of Sharia; a system of national laws derived from the Koran and the traditions of Mohammed. The Mutawwa'in are the religious police who are the enforcers of the Law. Religious Law is Civil Law in this country. Because it is interpreted literally, it is enforced without mercy. Sharia Law identifies anyone who is not a Muslim as an Infidel and an enemy. Muslims are specifically ordered to not befriend unbelievers. Mateen Elass explains the implications of this in her book, Understanding the Koran. According to standard Islamic jurisprudence, Sharia Law today interprets the Koran as obligating Muslims to be under the rule of expansionist jihad (holy war). This is understood as an armed struggle against unbelievers, whether or not the Muslim community had been attacked. This is a country that has a history of 1,600 years of revolutions, political assassinations, and massacres, and has ruled it's populace by subjection or death. Today, Arab media often incite Arabs to street rage and violence by feeding misinformation. You will remember that the world witnessed Muslims dancing in the streets, celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center 9/11.

There is a difference, between being a judgmental person and being a person of rational judgment, that is worth remembering. If you choose to go, Saudi Arabia, be careful about how you conduct yourself. Right now, the long arm of the U.S. Embassy gives a sense of safety. However, there are things that you must do to protect yourself from embarrassment, from derision, from humiliation, from attack, and from arrest. Be prepared for unwelcome gazes and advances from the Saudi men while you are working in your uniform. They have been brought up to believe that a woman who does not cover herself is available for sex or is a prostitute. Never accept an invitation to accompany a Saudi man anywhere for the same reason. He has an expectation that you can be bought and because of his wealth may offer very expensive jewels and gifts. Outside of your unit, you will always be covered with a Burka. You will ride in the back of a bus, by Law. You will not get into a Taxi unaccompanied because you cannot be alone with a man. Men and women are separated even in the Marketplace. If you want to buy a cup of coffee in Starbucks, you will go to a segregated area for women. Is Saudi Arabia a good idea for you? Only you can decide.

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Specializes in ICU (all), neuro, child rehab.
personally, i don't see that the money is all that great in saudi arabia.

safety would have to be a concern, unless you never left the compound or were escorted everywhere you went. for what it pays (50k tax free)... i already earn well in excess of that here after taxes.

not worth it to me.

I agree, I think the money isn't that great. In the late 1970's friends of mine went to Saudi Arabia and got more than $30,000 in nursing with ARAMCO - a huge salary back then because it was accorded "hardship Pay" since it was acknowledged that a lot was given up to work there. My friends could not leave the compound with out a proper male escort. There was a lot they could NOT do - shop, entertainment, meals out with friends,travel (except outside of the Arab countries during their vacations) - in the native culture. All "fun" had to be created within the compound.

True, there were no taxes they had a home to maintain in the US that they could return to. They did save a lot but I think the pay should far exceed what an expienced nurse gets in the US hospitals for it IS a hardship in many ways. After all, everyone I personally know who has gone there to work has gone only for the money and the vacations to travel in Europe - not because they wanted to live in Saudi Arabia:loveya:

Specializes in Peds Rehab, Informatics.

I wonder how a male nurse working in saudi arabia would be treated?

iTS goin 2 be my first comment hopefully noT the last one ... well well ..whatever u said about the hospitals in saudi arabia and dealing with the royal family things are true ...except whatever u said about islam ,,,iam jordanian * middle east* and iam muslim ...saudis are way to strict when it comes to religion ,in which they are not following it well ,,,they do follow their traditions actually ,,,but racists ?!! are they ?!! ive worked with foriegn nurses ,,,,friendly ppl ...some wren't u know im arabian and a muslim ,,,,but we're humans after all ...there are good ppl and bad ppl everywhere ,,, and working in saudiarabia .....lots of money ,,,but ZERO EXPERIENCE ......... so you wouldnt enjoy it i guess,,imean money is important ,,,but caring for patients ,,,looking after them is more important ,,, =)

You people are killing me on how critical you are of someone who wrote what she thinks!! We live in America and she has the right to say what she wants to say, yea, even if you disagree with it!!!

I think this is great work, however I have a questions.

From my viewpoint it seems this article is directed toward female nurses.

Are males permitted to work for the royal family? Do male nurses have to wear a burka? And can males accept jewels?

Sounds like a challenging assignment.

Specializes in RN ENT/SURGICAL/MAX-FAX.

I would just like to say that everyone is an individual and we all have different expectations. Personally I am in the process of applying to work in Saudi Arabia and although the money is doubled what I get in the UK I am going for the experience of working in a multicultural country and the travelling. I read about patients in Saudi being problematic with regards to their treatment and times but it is the same wherever you go. In the UK the patient has the right to refuse, the right to go private, there are so many rights for patients that I cant see the difference between the UK USA Phillipines or Saudi Arabia. Yes they have rules what country doesnt? At the end of the day is what you make it if you go to another country with your eyes wide open, try not to judge, adhere to their culture and beliefs you can get on with anyone anywhere. Our hospital is full of nurses from all over the world, their cultures and beliefs are respected and we only expect the same from them. Life is what you make it, I trained to make a difference to my patients but I also respect their wishes.

Specializes in med-surg, BICU.

Several questions that I have not been able to find the answers to in regards to working in Saudi:

1-how advanced are some hospitals/computer documentation available? (never worked anyplace without the nice computerized physician order entry programs:nuke:)

2-are there any burn units in saudi? (i currently work in a burn ICU and love it)

3-what the pt load (nurse to pt ratio) in med-surg in rayadh hospitals??

i plan to apply to an agency at the end of the yr.

thank you all!

(appreciate all i learned in this thread)

Specializes in ER.

sounds utterly and completely perilous, hopeless, confining.... and that's for the patients - and for the nurses who choose to go there... you'd really have to question why. Why give up basic rights, the possibility of punishment, severe punishment, for being seen with a man in public or in the same vehicle. To cover up at all times when not at work.... wow. What a horrible way to live. I'm sure many who go there must become suicidal at some point... :no:

Specializes in ER.
I think this is great work, however I have a questions.

From my viewpoint it seems this article is directed toward female nurses.

Are males permitted to work for the royal family? Do male nurses have to wear a burka? And can males accept jewels?

Sounds like a challenging assignment.

they're probably treated like princes, as the males are in that country.

Specializes in or/trauma/teaching/geriatrics.

just started reading these posts.

We should be proud to be American Nurses. We are respected because of our standard of care for the past century in many places around this wonderful ball of orbiting elements.

We have military and missionary nurses to thank for most of this.

People are people.

This fact is not just related to country, religion, or culture. It is a fact.

Saudi is an intreging place. I was once recruited to go there for the $ and because of my specific skills at the time and opted not to when I started reading up on the conditions outside of the American compound. Many female nurses found conditions to be compareable to prison because it was so difficult to even leave the compound to go to market. I realized that I was much to independent and outspoken to have survived there. I Worked with a muslim surgeon here in the states. who totally agreed that my mouth would have gotten me in alot of trouble over in SA. I am just not used to females not being recognized as citizens and would have not doubt found that to be most repulsive.............................wouldn't go now either no matter how much I would like that tax free salary.

Specializes in OB, ER, M/S, Supervision - Acute care.

massed: since the women in sa may not co-mingle with men, it makes sense that a male rn would not be found in the women's wing of a hospital. that shouldn't mean that the rn couldn't work in units where there are men. as far as some of your thoughts about the restrictions on the activities of nurses. it is not as dismal as you think. you just need to become "street smart" the same way you would if you went from a small rural hospital in the usa to a crowded inner city hospital in the usa. while on an sa assignment , you can avail yourself of great opportunities for travel to the seashore or to spain etc. you will find that partying goes on; sometimes too much; & you may not want to "go there" & get over your head. for myself, i am used to the freedom & the safety that we all take for granted in the usa. leaving its borders produces some trepidation no matter what the destination.

Specializes in Home Care, Primary care NP, QI, Nsg Adm.

While your description of King Fahad Specialist Hospital in Riyadh is quite good, your explanation about Islam and the "radical leaders" is patently false.

I am working as a DON in a ministry of health hospital and have been here for 13 years. As an American and now a Muslim by choice for some 27 odd years, I believe I can dispel some of the myths, particularly that which orientalist writers love to perpetuate. The concept of "infidels" being "enemies" to Muslims is false. Infidels or "disbelievers", (i.e. those who do not submit to Allah (God) in His Religion, Islam) are not enemies unless they specifically make themselves an enemy. If a disbeliever makes himself an enemy by fighting then Muslims are ordered by God to fight back. The false notion and indeed the lies of many who state openly that "Muslims are ordered to kill infidels" is the height of stupidity because anyone with a hint of logic would understand that their would be continuous blood shed of non-Muslim blood and I dear say that non-Muslims working in Saudi Arabia face little problem solely because of their religious backgrounds. If we were ordered by Allah to kill non-Muslims as we are ordered to pray five times a day, as an obligation that cannot be missed, how then would the tens of thousands of non-Muslims survive in Saudi Arabia or in any other land for that matter?How emotions and hatred can make even the most intellectual lose the ability to think.

I would like to add that in regards to non-Muslims Allah and His Final Messenger Muhammad (peace of blessings of Allah be upon him) have ordained the rights for all living things. The Prophet ordered to "visit the sick, feed the hungry and free the captives". Many captives in war were set free, either for a ransom, if they could teach Muslims to read and write or just out of Mercy. There is no recorded evidence of torture and depravity committed against them as we see throughout history to this day. He never qualified in feeding the hungry for example, 'feed them if they are Muslim'. He further said to "add water to the soup" in order to feed those near to you who might be hungry meaning your Muslim or non-Muslim neighbors. In fact, it is their right to be fed! if this is the case, why would we feed our 'enemy?. Unfortunately, there are deviated Muslims who interpret the Sharia in this manner and wantonly harm Muslims and non-Muslims alike. In the Sharia, it is absolutely forbidden to take a life without a just cause. Murder is a major sin be they Muslim or non-Muslim. The Prophet said; "Have mercy to those on earth so the One Who is Heaven will have mercy on you". This mercy is for all living things, including the animals. Again, it does not qualify beleiver or disbeliever. This is the real Islam.

You say the Saudi government is run by "radicals". if that were the case there would be no non-Muslims in this country. Again, a thorough study of the Religion from correct sources, that which have proofs and evidences, as Islam is built upon proofs and evidences, is necessary to separate truth from falsehood. If an person studies rather then accept hearsay one will find the height of mercy, generosity, kindness, morality and other exemplary behaviors in Islam.

In regards to forced covering from 'head to toe', that has changed drastically over the years. It is common, at least in the Eastern Province to see non-Muslim women with no external covering (Abaya) at all, other thier own clothes. It should be understood that the command to cover the body and not reveal it is from God, not from man. While the encouragement for women to display their private areas is from men, who exploit women through fashion for thier own desires.When a woman embraces Islam she has actually become free as she has broken the yoke of self-deprecation and no longer must work so hard to stay thin, continually beautifying herself for the pleasure of others or reveal that which should be kept private to all in order to be accepted in society. Why is covering the body considered perverse while revealing it acceptable? Many are fooled into the thinking that this is freedom.

Your description of the Saudi royals is interesting and unfortunate indeed. Islam is clear and anyone calling him/herself a Muslim can be judged according to the clear laws and behaviors found in the Quran and the teachings of the Messenger or his 'Sunnah'. Nothing is hidden or difficult to understand. Islam has a clear standard for living, worshiping and behaving that does not cause undo hardship on any human being. It is the human being that is the cause of many of his/her problems as you witnessed in your work.

In the end every Muslim must submit to the Will of Allah and choose obedeince over disobedience. There are good and bad, excellent and horrible in every society and every walk of life, muslims are no exception but what we have been given is a clear guidance in which to live a fulfilling life that leads to success in the Hereafter.

I would like to stress that in Saudi Arabia one will find some of the most God-fearing, generous and kind Muslims as well. This is unfortunately over-shadowed at times by the kind of ugly behaviors you described such as Saudi men hitting on non-Muslim women. Those who have this unlawful behavior actually hit on Muslim and non-Muslim women but often these men are enamored with white women. Again, these actions are great sins in Islam and the action of errant human beings.

In terms of nursing practice it varies widely depending on the health care system one works in. In my situation, my nurses are roughly 98% 'technical' or LPN level but compared to an American LPN, much lower in many respects. My nurses come from 6 different countries including Saudis. I am in a sub specialty that is the last to receive qualified RNs but much of the nursing staff in the general Ministry of Health hospitals are of the technical level. Quality of care varies widely. I would advise against private, for-profit hospitals. They are businesses first and last. I myself would not work in a private hospital because I could not tolerate unethical medical practices done solely for increasing revenues.