Saudi Arabia - Good Idea or Not

As seen by a Registered Nurse from the United States, who is now on assignment, it can be hard to adjust to hospital nursing in Saudi Arabia. That is particularly true in the hospital complex that serves the Saudi Royal Family. The very size of this facility is daunting. It is a 1 km straight walk from the front door to the back entrance. World General World Article

To an American nurse, it seems like an upside-down system.

The Policies and Procedures that fails to fall within any framework of prior hospital experiences. This is a place where the patients tell you when it is time for an assessment or for treatments or for meds. When a member of the Royal Family is admitted to a unit he/she is accompanied by a minimum of 3 and up to 14 servants. This includes a private nurse. You will get to know this nurse well because you do not administer the meds, but rather give them to the private nurse who gives them to the patient.

There is a high degree of racial prejudice against persons of color, South Africans, Hindus, and Filipinos, in this hospital. They are not allowed to work in the Complex of the Royal Family. A nurse with an American passport is considered white and is highly sought after. Co-workers will go to the American nurse and take her along with them when they want to communicate a plan of treatment to a family member of a patient. She is introduced as an American nurse and does the speaking for the co-worker.

The lifestyles of the Royal Family have contributed to staggering poor health. By the time they are 40-50 years old, you will find patients in this unit, male and female, have osteoporosis from lack of activity. By the time they reach 50 most of these patients have often given up on life because they have nothing to do except indulge themselves. It is sad to see them on heparin because they choose to stay in bed. They can be observed sleeping all day and eating all night. Since they are royal, you cannot tell them what to do or how to do it, even if it is for their own good. A patient may be on an insulin drip for a week while gorging on food the whole time. These patients have an inordinate amount of cancer and genetic disorders, and one in three are diabetic. It is not unusual to see a handsome prince, dressed in pristine white, clean and sweet smelling, with a body wasted by muscle atrophy.

An order for DNR does not exist, except on paper. There are upwards of 6,000 members of the Saudi Royal Family. Each one is eligible to receive a share of the Family fortune, as it is doled out. Therefore, the aged and/or infirm are kept alive by all means possible. This hospital houses an entire wing of patients who are in persistent vegetative states or are on vents or other means of artificial life support. As long as they live, their family members have a closer link to the crown and they are eligible for stipends that will be managed by their guardians.

Advantages of working as a nurse in this outpost are notable.

American nurses command the highest rate of pay. Transportation, to and from Saudi for each assignment, is paid. A one year contract can include a 2 week paid vacation. A Re-up bonus for a second year is often offered. There is no Saudi tax to pay and very few living expenses since housing is provided. There may be favorable tax treatment by the IRS as well. Uniforms are provided and will be worn, without covering, only while on duty. At all other times, when in public, a nurse must be covered head to toe with the burka. Segregated swimming pools, tennis courts, and fitness centers, etc. are provided and offer diversion. Taxis or buses are available to provide transportation to leave the complex to go shopping or site-seeing. Everything in the shopping center seems to be made in China. But, the Super Markets are great. There, you will find food from all over the world. You can spend hours just tasting special imports of the best honey, or 28 different kinds of olives on the olive counters. Hint: You might find the sweet olives are horrible. However, you may never have seen such dates. They are to die for.

Disadvantages of going to this outpost need to be pointed out. American nurses are sometimes vulnerable because they can be naive. They have enjoyed the Constitutional protection of a democratic government. They do not always carefully consider that they do not have that same protection when they leave the borders of their homeland. A study of the customs and culture of the country to which they are going is a must. Most important is an understanding of the system of government and laws.

According to the U.S. Department Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2000-2001, this Islamic country is ruled by Sharia Law, and Women's Rights are virtually non-existent. Although a state of world-wide unrest exists with the Radical Islamic countries, because of oil reserves, a policy of appeasement has been adopted by the United States. Americans in Saudi Arabia must depend on this fragile relationship to continue in order to have a semblance of safety while they are in that country. It is important to know the facts and not live in the romantic fantasy of The Arabian Nights.

In Saudi Arabia, the government seems to be made up of a system of checks and balances. The Royal Family controls the money. Money is "Power". The Islamic Radicals are the Rulers because they interpret the Law of Sharia; a system of national laws derived from the Koran and the traditions of Mohammed. The Mutawwa'in are the religious police who are the enforcers of the Law. Religious Law is Civil Law in this country. Because it is interpreted literally, it is enforced without mercy. Sharia Law identifies anyone who is not a Muslim as an Infidel and an enemy. Muslims are specifically ordered to not befriend unbelievers. Mateen Elass explains the implications of this in her book, Understanding the Koran. According to standard Islamic jurisprudence, Sharia Law today interprets the Koran as obligating Muslims to be under the rule of expansionist jihad (holy war). This is understood as an armed struggle against unbelievers, whether or not the Muslim community had been attacked. This is a country that has a history of 1,600 years of revolutions, political assassinations, and massacres, and has ruled it's populace by subjection or death. Today, Arab media often incite Arabs to street rage and violence by feeding misinformation. You will remember that the world witnessed Muslims dancing in the streets, celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center 9/11.

There is a difference, between being a judgmental person and being a person of rational judgment, that is worth remembering. If you choose to go, Saudi Arabia, be careful about how you conduct yourself. Right now, the long arm of the U.S. Embassy gives a sense of safety. However, there are things that you must do to protect yourself from embarrassment, from derision, from humiliation, from attack, and from arrest. Be prepared for unwelcome gazes and advances from the Saudi men while you are working in your uniform. They have been brought up to believe that a woman who does not cover herself is available for sex or is a prostitute. Never accept an invitation to accompany a Saudi man anywhere for the same reason. He has an expectation that you can be bought and because of his wealth may offer very expensive jewels and gifts. Outside of your unit, you will always be covered with a Burka. You will ride in the back of a bus, by Law. You will not get into a Taxi unaccompanied because you cannot be alone with a man. Men and women are separated even in the Marketplace. If you want to buy a cup of coffee in Starbucks, you will go to a segregated area for women. Is Saudi Arabia a good idea for you? Only you can decide.

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Thanks for all the input from everyone. I almost signed up to do a year in Saudi but didn't. You never know what the future will bring. I have been an RN for close to 25 years and have recently became frustrated. It seems like my ADN doesn't say much for all of my experience. Most higher paying jobs want a BSN. Yes, there are jobs but I've been there and done that. Where can a nurse go and enjoy work and still have fun? Make money is always good. My back ground is Med/Surg but recently did prision and psych. Any suggestions from anyone out there would be appreciated. I'm old enough for the experience but still young enough to learn. :nurse:

Specializes in Home Care, Primary care NP, QI, Nsg Adm.

Your information about the BSN requirement along with other things I have been reading also have me thinking about my future if I return to the states. I'm doing my MS in Health Care Adm. and have a BS in health care management.

I may be returning next fall but after 13 plus years in Saudi I am now reconsidering and will also look here (Saudi) and in the Gulf.

I passed the 30 year mark last April in nursing and started my masters last year. Do you have the interest to pursue a BSN?

A nurse from Canada who works in nursing education in the Specialist hospital in Riyadh told me over a year ago; "Muhammad, just start (the degree) and it will finish". That comment and wanting to have a masters credential after my name the next time in I (might) speak formally (I met that nurse in a conference that we were both guest speakers) gave me thevpush I needed after several years of considering to pursue my education. That nurse also recently completed her Phd while working in Saudi.

She was right, I'm half way and working on a paper at the moment. It is a bit stressful but has benefited me in many ways so far. Maybe getting your BSN would put a 'spark' back in your work.

hey im from scotland and hoping to work KFHSC at the start of next year, i have heard some horror stories but again from people who have no first hand experience to base their information on. im going with an open mind and a basic understanding of the culture and language. i cant wait!

Specializes in RN ENT/SURGICAL/MAX-FAX.

Hey zjwalker, might see you there :nuke:

Specializes in O.R., pediatrics, gynecology, surgical.

hello! never heard or saw muslims dancing during 911, but whatever their purpose of dancing or if their purpose is to celebrate that so many people died then shame to them and hopefully conscience will eat them..:cry:

on the other topic, really eveything you mention are true because i am working in middle east also and at first really you will feel culture shock..thanks, you let nurses was given an option to come and work here or not...:yeah:

Specializes in ICU. Nursing Education.

I have been working and living in Saudi Arabia for the past seven years. When I see emails like this, or hear any of the horror stories about the Middle East, I chuckle. Sometimes I laugh out loud.

Because you know why? I have heard the same bad things about the USA. The serial killers, the KKK, the Rodney Kings, the presidential assassinations, I watch the real time tv shows about the animal police and I think to myself: "What horrible people living in the USA!" If they can do THAT to animals....wow! I see the racism on the tv, I read about it in the newspapers, yeah, no "firsthand knowledge, but based on what the news are telling me. Should I visit America? Hopefully not soon...

About living in Saudi: who cares about Sharia Law if you have no plans on breaking any law? Who cares about wearing an abaya? Sweetie, I am saving so much money on not having to buy clothes to go to town in, I can almost buy a second house in cash. And by the way, I do not have to cover from head to toe. It all depends on which part of the country you are living in.

I am not allowed to drive - I don't care! I do not have to look for a parking space, I get dropped off right in front of the mall. When I came to Saudi I took up diving. I am now a qualified Advanced Scuba Diver, I am a certified wreck diver, a certified underwater photographer, a certified rescue diver and currently doing my Master Diver's course. And yes, I am a nurse. And yes I am past the middle of my 50's!

In my job I hear many stories like this one in the email...coming from people on their way back home because they failed to adapt to the system or the culture. Isn't it peculiar how a country loses it's romanticism when the individual failed? When it wasn't actuallu the system that failed?

Also peculiar, the health services are run according to the Canadian and USA services. If you have a problem with it, you should address the issue back home, should you not????

You said nothing about the weekend trips into the desert, the silence of the sand dunes while waiting in the desert for nightfall to experience the most beautiful sunsets of all...You said nothing about the diving in the Red Sea and enjoying the absolute best of coral reefs around the world. You said nothing about how cheap it is to travel anywhere in the world from Saudi Arabia.

And by the way....where on earth did you work that you only got two weeks leave?? Our staff gets 53 days per year and two paid tickets home. Maybe you were at the wrong hospital??????

The way you came accross in your email - specially as I am living in Saudi, is not really to enlighten people. I have read only the first few responses and I thought to myself: darn it, the people reading this email, coming from a person with the attitude of a mushroom, they will be forever lost to Saudi and will never experience it's wonderful lifestyle, culture, the beauty of the desert, etc.

I pity you that you never had a chance to experience the true Middle East. You will always and forever be talking with little or no authority on the subject (Sounds as if you have taken the part on Sharia Law from a book in any case). Your knowledge are limited to the Royal Family (and even in that regard your insight in what was happening and why it was that way, is questionable). You should come back, try another hospital and take up scuba diving. It will clear your mind and you will find yourself much more tolerant toward the people, the culture. You should travel more, use the time to discover the true Saudi Arabia. Look a little bit deeper. You will find it...and perhaps also find a part of yourself that was missing before.:wink2:

Specializes in Home Care, Primary care NP, QI, Nsg Adm.

Mongoose, KSA,

Excellent email. It is about attitude. Those who suffer from 'adjustment disorder' when they go to a foreign environment need to take a good look inwards. In addiction we call this 'getting honest'. Problem is, that often entails quite a bit of pain and discomfort.

Thanks for nice some prose.

Saifudin in Dammam

Specializes in RN ENT/SURGICAL/MAX-FAX.

Thank you Mongoose for enlightening us on the positive side of the KSA, most of the comments i have read on this forum are very negative, but i would like to say I am due to go out to Saudi in december (if visa arrives in time) and I am going out there with an open mind. We live in a multi-cultural world and we should respect all religions and laws of whichever country we are in. I am glad to say I am not easily put off by words so I am looking forward to going out there and seeing for myself what this wonderful country has to offer. Life is what you make it and I live by the motto that you only live once so go out there and see what life has to offer, grasp every opportunity with both hands and go through life with both eyes open. On that note all I have to say is I am excited about the adventure I am going to embark on and at the moment I am emailing girls who have just left the UK and have been there a few weeks and all their comments are positive they are loving it, from the country the culture to the hospital and the people. :wink2:

Hi everyone,

Thank you to all those who have contributed to this thread - especially those taking the time to provide us with insights from their experiences. I am someone who has been considering this opportunity for some time + have done little or nothing about it !!

Many thanks

In regards to forced covering from 'head to toe', that has changed drastically over the years. It is common, at least in the Eastern Province to see non-Muslim women with no external covering (Abaya) at all, other thier own clothes.

Hello

Iam also in the estern province and I ve been to Al rasheed mall, Mall of Dhaharan, Marina Mall and I never saw any female who is not wearing an Abaya. The reason why I am saying this is because my wife does not want to wear abaya but she has to. Or else people will stare at her. Even when she is not wearing the head cover, people stares at her. I do agree that just like in any country there are good people and bad ones. But I still find it very different here in KSA. I am just extra careful whenever I go out.

Specializes in Telemetry, ER, Trauma ICU.

I grew up in Saudi Arabia (Dhahran) my father worked for an oil company. Yes it is different, but we cannot be judgmental of the ways of other cultures. That is the reason that many Americans are not liked by other nationalites. It can be a culture shock, but it can be an amazing experience as well. In some areas american women do NOT have to fully cover themselves. However it is recommended that you wear at least 3/4 sleeves and NEVER shorts. There are many "strange" rules and it is important to learn both laws and religious customs. However most people have no problem with either. Women cannot drive, but their are taxis, buses, and in some cases a person hired to drive you. The members of the royal family are usually very friendly and welcoming. There are very rich people and very poor people (rarely a middle class). The pay is very good considering there are no taxes, and barely any living expenses. Most companies will provide housing for less than 100 US dollars a month (furniture for the whole house is only 30 more a month), they have great 401K (match what you put in), paid vacations up to six weeks a year, added bonuses with each year you stay. At 10 years you get to keep the insurance benefits for life. Great food, beautiful beaches and warm water. Majority of people are very nice and very giving.

Also like it was stated earlier the travel opporunities are amazing, the country is beautiful, nearby Dubai and Bahrain are great places for fun. Just a few ideas for all considering. I honestly miss it, it was home.

Specializes in Home Care, Primary care NP, QI, Nsg Adm.

It is natural that Saudi Arabia is far different then other countries. It is the only Muslim country left that still has a large number of Muslims strongly adhering to many of the rules of Islam such as the proper covering for both men and women. However, with that said, the pressures are great as the world has become globally connected in a variety of ways.

It might be argued that some of what occurs in Saudi in lifestyle practices are culturally oriented and not from Islam per say, and that is true. Every nation has its culture, yet, if we look back at the history of the first through third generations of Muslims, they lived Islam to the fullest extent as it was meant to be lived. Those generations are our examples.

As to earnings in Saudi Arabia, the money is still there for westerners. North America tops the salary rankings and then its a downward slope. Saudi Aramco likely has the best all around deal due to its shear size and scope.

One final comment, imagine if modesty was the norm then the difficulty that many have with covering rather than revealing would be much less an issue.

In Saudi going on 14 years.