Roe v. Wade abandoned by Supreme Court

[Ado Annie]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-eliminates-constitutional-right-to-abortion-11656080124

I guess even if some people end up going to jail over Trump's shenanigans the conservatives have won their long-sought prize and they will consider it worth the cost. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 minute ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Beerman has presented sources before. Don't be obtuse. Why don't ypu answer the question? 

Care to provide examples of "setting it up to outlaw abortions" ? Is this one of your "facts" or another attempt to convince people that Republicans are a detrement to our democratic republic non sense? 

Pay attention, there have been no citations which justify this fixation on late trimester termination. The sources and data were discussed.  

Your question is irrelevant and a smoke screen to avoid talking about what's really going on. 

I did provide citations.  Again your opinion of my comments only reflect upon you... and since my words don't actually match your negative representation and that doesn't reflect badly upon me. 

[Beerman, BSN]

42 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

If it's a misrepresentation. Say it. The inability for the general person and more disturbing elected Democrats to say that the laws they propose will not allow late term abortions for convenience is very concerning. Most people will not kill someone,that's doesn't mean there shouldn't be a law against murder.  

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[toomuchbaloney]

How many ways do I have to say that,  yes, your words are a misrepresentation. At no time have I advocated what you claim I advocate. If you disagree then YOU should provide some evidence. The topic of the thread is not your fear of 3rd trimester abortions and its not about our undividual beliefs... it's about the unprecedented decisions of the SCOTUS relative to Roe. Your question is an irrelevant attempt to distract from the real issues at hand. 

[Justlookingfornow]

31 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

Oh yeah... back to the notion that liberals need to jump through some hoops to satisfy your feelings about what has been said. 

Your question is irrelevant. It's a smoke screen.  You want to talk about something that is not the central issue... so you try to create this controversy over convenience abortions of of third trimester pregnancies...a made up problem that castes women in a very unflattering light.  

You can keep trying to put words in my mouth or tell me and others what I think or support but that's not the purpose of these threads. So far your unsupported analysis has been very wrong. We're here to talk about the facts, data, evidence and realities involved this disastrous SCOTUS decision to overturn what they promised was settled law.

I asked a question, you refuse to answer. Such is your choice. 

I have never told anyone what to think or what to support. Nor have I personally insulted anyone for their belief. 

21 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

How many ways do I have to say that,  yes, your words are a misrepresentation. At no time have I advocated what you claim I advocate. If you disagree then YOU should provide some evidence. The topic of the thread is not your fear of 3rd trimester abortions and its not about our undividual beliefs... it's about the unprecedented decisions of the SCOTUS relative to Roe. Your question is an irrelevant attempt to distract from the real issues at hand. 

You have not advocated true. All you have said is it is a choice a woman and her Dr makes. That's it. 

 

[Justlookingfornow]

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

How many ways do I have to say that,  yes, your words are a misrepresentation. At no time have I advocated what you claim I advocate. If you disagree then YOU should provide some evidence. The topic of the thread is not your fear of 3rd trimester abortions and its not about our undividual beliefs... it's about the unprecedented decisions of the SCOTUS relative to Roe. Your question is an irrelevant attempt to distract from the real issues at hand. 

Yes. I have a fear of unborn viable babies having their lives terminated. Absolutly 100%. It is a terrible discusting thought. Parents murder their children when alive, there's a law against that. You think some wouldn't terminate a viable pregnancy in late trimester if they could? I am even more fearful when democrats refuse to clarify to what extent a "choice" has. Some outright refuse to answer. The proof is in this pudding thread. 

[Justlookingfornow]

52 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

This is a pathetic attempt to twist the issue at hand.  The issue at hand is that the established precedent which protected a woman's right to access abortion, within limits, was burnt to the ground by religious conservatives.

Aren't you bored yet with this simplistic right wing talking point and "concern"? We are. 

The fact that it was overturned with it limits leaves it open to individual states to allow past what Roe permitted. Does this sound like "outlawing abortion" when some states can extend the limit? 

"Outlawing" abortion is just as radical as you have claimed Republicans are. 

[heron, ASN, RN]

21 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I asked a question, you refuse to answer. Such is your choice. 

I have never told anyone what to think or what to support. Nor have I personally insulted anyone for their belief. 

You have not advocated true. All you have said is it is a choice a woman and her Dr makes. That's it. 

 

Well … since you haven’t yet answered our question, either, doesn’t that make your whole line of argument a non sequitur as well?

[Justlookingfornow]

17 minutes ago, heron said:

Well … since you haven’t yet answered our question, either, doesn’t that make your whole line of argument a non sequitur as well?

What question? 

[Beerman, BSN]

15 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

What question? 

It's been answered, just not to their satisfaction.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

   6 hours ago, Beerman said:

See Subee and TMB last posts.  They do not believe there should be a  gestational age restriction for abortion.   And, they support abortions for any reason.

So, put all that together, and there ya go.

 

 

Where did I say that?  My rant was to leave the law just as it was or I would be OK with using the European standards which are stricter than ours.  And I've also said that there is no demand for late term abortions on demand and TMB and I have presented some evidence on this.  No, I never said that I support abortion on demand in late pregnancy for reasons of convenience.  In fact I remember posting that the reason I was in favor of just leaving things the way they were was that I thought Roe vs. Wade did justice to the two sets of rights that are involved.  You just told a big lie like your Loved One did today when he described Cassidy Hutchinson as a liar.  But I do hope that you enjoy the increased crime, homelessness and despair that Texas is favorable towards.

[Justlookingfornow]

19 minutes ago, subee said:

   6 hours ago, Beerman said:

See Subee and TMB last posts.  They do not believe there should be a  gestational age restriction for abortion.   And, they support abortions for any reason.

So, put all that together, and there ya go.

 

 

Where did I say that?  My rant was to leave the law just as it was or I would be OK with using the European standards which are stricter than ours.  And I've also said that there is no demand for late term abortions on demand and TMB and I have presented some evidence on this.  No, I never said that I support abortion on demand in late pregnancy for reasons of convenience.  In fact I remember posting that the reason I was in favor of just leaving things the way they were was that I thought Roe vs. Wade did justice to the two sets of rights that are involved.  You just told a big lie like your Loved One did today when he described Cassidy Hutchinson as a liar.  But I do hope that you enjoy the increased crime, homelessness and despair that Texas is favorable towards.

Fair enough. Perhaps you didn't come out and say it but you didn't say otherwise either. 

How do you assess a demand for a "service" that isn't fully available yet? Do you have to consider how many people may do an act before you make a law against it? A law is a law regardless of how likely or unlikely a person would commit it. Most people wouldn't engage in intercourse with a goat but there is still a law against it. 

Many already will not come out a say that there would be restrictions of gestational age. Or clarify if a woman has a choice to terminate a pregnancy for whichever reason she see fit. Even post viability. 

The "Woman Protection Act" had vague wording such as (paraphrase):

" No term restrictions for an abortion that threatens the mother's life or health as determined by her and her Dr".  So what is health? 

Again, the only thing that puts me to the right on abortion is the refusal to say what limits there should be. Beyond the "it's a choice between a woman and her Dr." Or "no one should be able determine what a woman chooses with her reproductive rights....." non answers. 

[toomuchbaloney]

4 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Fair enough. Perhaps you didn't come out and say it but you didn't say otherwise either. 

How do you assess a demand for a "service" that isn't fully available yet? 

Many already will not come out a say that there would be restrictions of gestational age. Or clarify if a woman has a choice to terminate a pregnancy for whichever reason she see fit. Even post viability. 

The "Woman Protection Act" had vague wording such as (paraphrase):

" No term restrictions for an abortion that threatens the mother's life or health as determined by her and her Dr".  So what is health? 

Again, the only thing that puts me to the right on abortion is the refusal to say what limits there should be. Beyond the "it's a choice between a woman and her Dr." Or "no one should be able determine what a woman chooses with her reproductive rights....." non answers. 

"what is health"

Are you a health professional? Why don't you know that pregnancy can represent great risk to the health and well being of the woman? 

There were limits in place with individual states customizing their laws within the limits set out by the law that conservatives just dumped... even after the 3 newest fundraiser justices reassured the country that Roe was secure, settled law.  Conservatives created uncertainties about the limits that you are clutching your pearls about.  

What other health or medical decisions should be decided by the local legislator or police department rather than the patient and provider? I'll wait why you try to think of one.