Roe v. Wade abandoned by Supreme Court

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-eliminates-constitutional-right-to-abortion-11656080124

I guess even if some people end up going to jail over Trump's shenanigans the conservatives have won their long-sought prize and they will consider it worth the cost. 

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The Next Anti-Abortion Tactic: Attacking the Spread of Information https://nyti.ms/3gUDkmi

Which rights are safe when confronted by zealots?

The mother in the Nebraska case is being charged because the abortion occurred in the third trimester, and because they tried to burn the fetus and then they had a friend help them bury it.

Also, of note,  the daughter wanted the abortion so she could fit in her jeans again.

So much for the argument that no one will want a late abortion for convenience. 

I wonder what other details are left out by the author of the NYT essay?

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30 minutes ago, Beerman said:

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I wonder what other details are left out by the author of the NYT essay?

 

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The Next Anti-Abortion Tactic: Attacking the Spread of Information https://nyti.ms/3gUDkmi

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And in Oklahoma, some library workers were warned about helping patrons find information about abortion, or even uttering the word. In an email, the employees were told they could face a $10,000 fine, jail time or even lose their jobs if they didn’t comply . (The  library system later updated its guidance [emphasis added].)

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From the "updated its guidance" above source.

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Executive director of the MLS Larry White clarified the situation with a reporter. White says the memo was not sent from the system. It was an email sent between two employees, which has a screenshot of someone else's notes and a document attached.

"If they had waited about 48 hours, they would've gotten the actual legal advice that was coming," White said. "But, for some reason or another, that part didn't make it down to the message, or didn't make down to the staff member. So, this person kind of jumped the gun a little bit."

And the official guidance Metropolitan Library Sysrem leadership.

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4 hours ago, Beerman said:

 

Also, of note,  the daughter wanted the abortion so she could fit in her jeans again.

 

Yeah, like no woman ever longed to fit in her clothes. I endured Winter in Idaho unable to close my coat. I guess I'm lucky there was no facebook then. 

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26 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Yeah, like no woman ever longed to fit in her clothes. I endured Winter in Idaho unable to close my coat. I guess I'm lucky there was no facebook then. 

So, you empathize with her. 

She couldn't wait to get the "thing" (24+ weeker) out of her so she could fit in her jeans.

Good thing for your child there was no mail order abortion pill then, when you couldn't close your coat. 

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

So, you empathize with her. 

She couldn't wait to get the "thing" (24+ weeker) out of her so she could fit in her jeans.

Good thing for your child there was no mail order abortion pill then, when you couldn't close your coat. 

I see no support for the notion that her sole reason for ending her pregnancy was to fit in her jeans. I do empathize with women who undergo the massive physical changes that occur during pregnancy. The weight gain, the back pain, the stretch marks, the anemia, the profound exhaustion, the health risks, the judgement of society, the medical costs. You apparently, do not. Women are more than incubators.

You can keep your fake good wishes for my child. 

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6 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I see no support for the notion that her sole reason for ending her pregnancy was to fit in her jeans. I do empathize with women who undergo the massive physical changes that occur during pregnancy. The weight gain, the back pain, the stretch marks, the anemia, the profound exhaustion, the health risks, the judgement of society, the medical costs. You apparently, do not. Women are more than incubators.

You can keep your fake good wishes for my child. 

The prosecution is saying her abortion was at least at 24 weeks.  What is the legitimate reason that she had the abortion at that late date?

"stretch marks, the anemia, the profound exhaustion, the health risks, the judgement of society, the medical costs."?

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13 minutes ago, Beerman said:

  What is the legitimate reason that she had the abortion at that late date?

I don't know, but apparently the prosecution and you have it all figured out. 

What is the legitimate reason that the sperm donor thought that he should impregnate this person?

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54 minutes ago, Beerman said:

The prosecution is saying her abortion was at least at 24 weeks.  What is the legitimate reason that she had the abortion at that late date?

"stretch marks, the anemia, the profound exhaustion, the health risks, the judgement of society, the medical costs."?

Apparently she has no expectation of privacy in this matter so it's very likely that we'll get the reasoning for the late term abortion.  We have discussed a variety of barriers to access to birth control and reproductive healthcare services in these threads previously.  There are identifiable reasons that women might seek abortion later and it should be our objective to fix those reasons. 

https://www.kff.org/report-section/beyond-the-numbers-access-to-reproductive-health-care-for-low-income-women-in-five-communities-executive-summary/

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1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

I don't know, but apparently the prosecution and you have it all figured out. 

What is the legitimate reason that the sperm donor thought that he should impregnate this person?

No, I don't have it all figured out.  I'm only going by what is reported in the media.

First of all, let's acknowledge that the reason I brought this up is that another poster linked an article that suggested a mother of the aborted child is being prosecuted because she gave instructions to her daughter on how to abort using a medication.

When, in actuality she is being prosecuted because she assisted in a third trimester abortion, and assisted in illegally disposing of the body.

This also happened before Roe vs Wade was overturned

The stance from your side is that the only abortions sought that late in pregnancy are for medical reasons.  Sperm donor issues are irrelevant.  I'm not aware of anything that suggests she wanted an abortion for medical reasons.  If I'm missing something, lmk.

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20 minutes ago, Beerman said:

No, I don't have it all figured out.  I'm only going by what is reported in the media.

First of all, let's acknowledge that the reason I brought this up is that another poster linked an article that suggested a mother of the aborted child is being prosecuted because she gave instructions to her daughter on how to abort using a medication.

When, in actuality she is being prosecuted because she assisted in a third trimester abortion, and assisted in illegally disposing of the body.

This also happened before Roe vs Wade was overturned

The stance from your side is that the only abortions sought that late in pregnancy are for medical reasons.  Sperm donor issues are irrelevant.  I'm not aware of anything that suggests she wanted an abortion for medical reasons.  If I'm missing something, lmk.

The stance from the opposing side is not that the only abortions sought later in pregnancy are for medical reasons. Did you intend to misrepresent previous discussions or is there something that you still don't understand? 

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3 hours ago, Beerman said:

 

The stance from your side is that the only abortions sought that late in pregnancy are for medical reasons.  

I'm not into the whole  "2 sides", "binary", "we're right so you must be wrong" sort of discussion. My stance regarding abortion is that it is a decision to be made by the person who is pregnant, their health care provider, and their faith leader, if applicable. 

I thought this discussion was about a right to privacy and freedom of speech. The prosecutor in Nebraska apparently decided that private conversations via electronic media are not really private at all. 

 

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19 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

My stance regarding abortion is that it is a decision to be made by the person who is pregnant, their health care provider, and their faith leader, if applicable. 

So, if those parties make such a decision, at anytime for any reason, that should be the mother's right.  Do I understand you correctly?

23 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I thought this discussion was about a right to privacy and freedom of speech. The prosecutor in Nebraska apparently decided that private conversations via electronic media are not really private at all. 

Warrants for private electronic communications are nothing new, or unique to this case.  I'm surprised you're not aware of that.

In this instance, possible crimes were being investigated.  The original charges were for abandoning a dead body, concealing a death, and false reporting.   Its then a warrant was obtained, the messages were seen, and the illegal abortion charge was added.  From that communication the warrant revealed it was found out that the mother and daughter planned the abortion and it was not a miscarriage as they had said.  They also found out they planned to burn the body, and when that didn't work they had an acquaintance bury it.

Some think the charge of illegal abortion won't hold up. We'll see.

Anyway, the garbage opinion piece another member posted seems to have some here believing the mother was being prosecuted simply for giving abortion info to her daughter.  

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