Ritttenhouse Trial

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The Rittenhouse trial has begun in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The prosecution is presenting first, but apparently the defense argument will be self-defense. So a 17 year old travels out of state with his rifle to a demonstration because he fears for his life? 

 

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11 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Who is Ryan? 

Skateboard guy is Huber, the hero who died trying to disarm the shooter. 

Of all of the injuries related to the shootings that night, Rittenhouse's were the least serious. 

The "hero"? Yeah okay. I know the prosecution is plugging this but it's so REDICOULAS it might even harm his case.   He wasn't trying to disarm him, he was trying to hurt him. Even if I believed he was just trying to disarm him, he was acting recklessly as well. (Huber).Rioting is kind reckless don't you think? He should have not been there either. 

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10 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't necessarily agree that the evidence so far justifies discharging the weapon even the first time.  Rittenhouse believes that he was justified and that is his defense but... had Rittenhouse simply kept fleeing Rosenbaum, rather than panicking and shooting him, everything would be different. It will be interesting to see if the defense calls witnesses who describe Rosenbaum as threatening that night because so far the prosecution witnesses have described him as lots of things but not an actual threat. 

My guess is that had Kyle Rittenhouse not had that firearm hanging from his chest he wouldn't have been where he was - doing what he was doing.  His bad decisions to make that illegal gun purchase and then to illegally carry that illegally purchased weapon while engaging in public policing with militia members have changed his life.  

If Rittenhouse is found to have killed Huber in self defense, does it set a precedent for how the public should treat active shooters because the shooters will have a right to defend themselves?

 

I'm confused. Why does a "milita" have a negative connotation but "rioters" doesn't? Even when one is illegal and one is not. Not always anyway. 

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2 hours ago, Cclm said:

The "hero"? Yeah okay. I know the prosecution is plugging this but it's so REDICOULAS it might even harm his case.   He wasn't trying to disarm him, he was trying to hurt him. Even if I believed he was just trying to disarm him, he was acting recklessly as well. (Huber).Rioting is kind reckless don't you think? He should have not been there either. 

Yeah. Typically we call people who try to disarm and disable an active shooter heros.  You still don't know how to spell ridiculous and that makes your comment difficult to even understand.  What point you are trying to make. The prosecution's job is to present the evidence in a way that results in conviction of the killer. 

Right neither guy should have been there...Huber lived in Kenosha and paid with his life because Rittenhouse was there from (out of town) and shot him after killing another unarmed man...what price should the shooter pay? We are going to find out what the jury thinks and it seems like you believe he was justified in discharging his weapon even though you haven't heard all of the evidence.  Have you seen evidence that Huber was "rioting" or are you making assumptions?

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

I'm confused. Why does a "milita" have a negative connotation but "rioters" doesn't? Even when one is illegal and one is not. Not always anyway. 

Who said that "militia" did or didn't have a negative connotation? Is that a different discussion? Are you confusing the pretrial discussion about using the term victim versus rioters to describe the deceased?

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53 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah. Typically we call people who try to disarm and disable an active shooter heros.  You still don't know how to spell ridiculous and that makes your comment difficult to even understand.  What point you are trying to make. The prosecution's job is to present the evidence in a way that results in conviction of the killer. 

I know. I spelt it like that on purpose.It seems you do not know how to spell HEROES.  Or people who try to take other people's gun in order to use it against them are not heroes. 

 

 

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55 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

 

Right neither guy should have been there...Huber lived in Kenosha and paid with his life because Rittenhouse was there from (out of town) and shot him after killing another unarmed man...what price should the shooter pay? We are going to find out what the jury thinks and it seems like you believe he was justified in discharging his weapon even though you haven't heard all of the evidence.  Have you seen evidence that Huber was "rioting" or are you making assumptions?

The "hero"  chose his risk or price when he went after Rittenhouse's gun. I believe what my eyes tell me. It would seem that you think Huber was being a hero when you haven't seen all the evidence yet. He  was in  violating of the law, it was deemed an unlawful assembly and he ignored the lawful commands of the police to leave the area. 

 

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I have to say it. It does not have anything to do with the trial but.....

Maybe Rittenhouse is a hero? He disarmed a child predator by preventing him from ever vicitmizing a child ever again? He also had a restraining order from his girl friend. Most likely because of domestic abuse.(Rosenbaum) 

However, he did not deserve a death sentence. 

Just saying. 

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21 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I know. I spelt it like that on purpose.It seems you do not know how to spell HEROES.  Or people who try to take other people's gun in order to use it against them are not heroes. 

Were you under the impression that I might have thought it was an accident? You've intentional misspelled names and words previously...as if that act in itself conveys an important message...like misspelling the name of the physician vilified by Trump...you know, Fauci. It seems that you only know how to spell if you think you might use the opportunity as an insult. Otherwise, spelling is clearly not your strong suit.

What do you call citizens who put themselves in harms way to stop an active shooter in a public place with lots of people? 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Cclm said:

The "hero"  chose his risk or price when he went after Rittenhouse's gun. I believe what my eyes tell me. It would seem that you think Huber was being a hero when you haven't seen all the evidence yet. He  was in  violating of the law, it was deemed an unlawful assembly and he ignored the lawful commands of the police to leave the area. 

That's right, he risked his life to stop and active shooter and the active shooter killed him. Rittenhouse was breaking exactly the same laws regarding that unlawful assembly...plus a couple extra federal firearm laws...what's your point? Rittenhouse also ignored the commands of the police to leave AND he killed a couple of unarmed people. 

19 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I have to say it. It does not have anything to do with the trial but.....

Maybe Rittenhouse is a hero? He disarmed a child predator by preventing him from ever vicitmizing a child ever again? He also had a restraining order from his girl friend. Most likely because of domestic abuse.(Rosenbaum) 

However, he did not deserve a death sentence. 

Just saying. 

Which part of the evidence demonstrates that Rittenhouse knew anything about those men before executing them in your vision of vigilante justice? 

Please answer that question about your remark on negative connotation and the word militia. 

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's right, he risked his life to stop and active shooter and the active shooter killed him. Rittenhouse was breaking exactly the same laws regarding that unlawful assembly...plus a couple extra federal firearm laws...what's your point? Rittenhouse also ignored the commands of the police to leave AND he killed a couple of unarmed people. 

Which part of the evidence demonstrates that Rittenhouse knew anything about those men before executing them in your vision of vigilante justice? 

Please answer that question about your remark on negative connotation and the word militia. 

I would think that the word "milita" sounds like military. Military have guns and soldiers etc. Sounds scary. 

I said that what I said about Rosenbaum' s history of being a s3x offender had nothing to do with the trial. Meaning that it did not have any significant value. I did not imply that Rittenhouse knew about that. He didn't. Rittenhouse was in fear of his life, that's what motivated him. Not that he knew about the past charges. 

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Were you under the impression that I might have thought it was an accident? You've intentional misspelled names and words previously...as if that act in itself conveys an important message...like misspelling the name of the physician vilified by Trump...you know, Fauci. It seems that you only know how to spell if you think you might use the opportunity as an insult. Otherwise, spelling is clearly not your strong suit.

What do you call citizens who put themselves in harms way to stop an active shooter in a public place with lots of people? 

 

 

I did not intentionally spell any  name purposely as an insult. Didn't even cross my mind, the fact it crossed yours is also an  interesting message. I did spell Redicoulas on purpose but it's not a name and I did it because you tried to insinuate I was dumb. Yes. I do have an issue with spelling. So what? I miss spell all the time. I do not only spell names wrong. Find a connection there? Here I'll spell it out for you. .... I have a consistent tendency to miss spell words, not only names.  There for, one may come to the conclusion I just spell bad but am not doing it on purpose. Except in my previous post. Still not a name. Anyway, you know what I am saying anyway. 

I call those citizens stupid and criminals. Partaking in property damage of private citizens who have nothing to do with the police shooting/violence, in which now has been deemed justified. 

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22 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I would think that the word "milita" sounds like military. Military have guns and soldiers etc. Sounds scary.

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No, militia doesn't sound anything like military.  And, as a retired Marine I find this comparison, as well as your "sounds scary" comment insulting. 

Why don't you ask your retired Marine father what he thinks about this.

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24 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I would think that the word "milita" sounds like military. Military have guns and soldiers etc. Sounds scary. 

But the militia is not the military.  Do you not understand why you made that statement and asked that question? It seems like maybe there was no purpose for commenting about the word militia versus the word victim...pointless. 

 

29 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I said that what I said about Rosenbaum' s history of being a s3x offender had nothing to do with the trial. Meaning that it did not have any significant value. I did not imply that Rittenhouse knew about that. He didn't. Rittenhouse was in fear of his life, that's what motivated him. Not that he knew about the past charges. 

You didn't imply that Rittenhouse was saving someone by killing Rosenbaum? Really?  

Yes, Rittenhouse was scared.  He was 17. He was breaking multiple laws by carrying that weapon in the streets in a town that he had no real connection to. He shot an unarmed man to death because he was scared. I'm waiting for the defense to demonstrate that Kyle's weapon wasn't the scariest thing in that parking lot that night...in the hands of a scared kid...instead of Rosenbaum. 

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42 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I call those citizens stupid and criminals. Partaking in property damage of private citizens who have nothing to do with the police shooting/violence, in which now has been deemed justified

Who is charged with that in this trial? What has been deemed justified?

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