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Published May 20, 2007
Hello everyone, i heard the retrogression might end in August. Let us continue to pray for the best.
FutureUSRN
302 Posts
The US will build more "fence" along the borders to secure the territory from illegal immigrants. However, there are some who can manage to enter using valid visas, find decent work, and over-stay their visas.
I am against those who work illegally without valid licence and visa. However, deporting more than 1 million illegal immigrant is not practical. For this reason, I am for the "Z" visa, which will penalize them ($5000) but will surface them out of the shadows...atleast the good ones will surface....except those with criminal cases, they won't ofcourse....
Now, since this is a nursing forum, let's talk something about the nurses....
I, as a nurse who is taking the legal path, hope and pray that something be given to us this year to get us moving...I am not compelling the law makers...I am praying and hoping...
dave787
583 Posts
Administration and Bipartisan Group of Senators Reach Bipartisan Agreement on Comprehensive Immigration Reform
Release Date: May 17, 2007
Today, Administration Officials and A Bipartisan Group of Senators Reached Agreement on Comprehensive Immigration Reform Legislation. The proposal includes:
Putting Border Security And Enforcement First
Providing Tools For Employers To Verify The Eligibility Of The Workers They Hire.
Creating A Temporary Worker Program.
No Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants.
Establishing A Merit System For Future Immigration.
Ending Chain Migration.
Clearing The Family Backlog In Eight Years.
Please just see the link provided below for the whole press release.
http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1179511978687.shtm
mpoova
94 Posts
But net is surfaced with news that the new CIR puts all immigrants under same catogory, there is no schedule A ocupations. and future immigration will be based on merit system. Though the place holder bill speaks of schedule A, it will be transfered to the actual bill which will overhaul the whole immigration system.
and the nurses will be counted on line and have slim chances of a relief on retrogression ahead of others! Let us wait and see!!
suzanne4, RN
26,410 Posts
What many of you are failing to even see is that the CIR is primarily dealing with illegal aliens and unskilled workers; such as those in farming, construction jobs and restaurants. The temporary worker visa will not help any of you at all. Please take a close look at that part.
It can only be used for up to three times, and the person needs to leave the US for a year after a two year contract. You are not going to find one hospital that will hire someone with that, no one wants to waste time and money training someone knowing that they are required to leave the country at the end of the two years.
Please be patient, even though I am well aware that it is difficult to do, but you only want to come to the US with a green card, nothing less. The treaty visas are acceptable, but they are limited to those from Canada, Mexico, and Australia; and you must hold a passport from those countries.
Anything less and you will be treated as a slave, and that is not a good thing.
Until the issue of illegal aliens and this guest worker program are taken care of, you are not going to see anything done about nurses. Nurses are professionals and should be treated as such. I would never want to be considered when they are working on these other issues.
lawrence01
2,860 Posts
Suzanne is right. The temporary visas or the guest worker programs (the Y visas) are not meant for nurses and professionals in general. It is meant for agricultural-related jobs, etc..
mpoova is also correct that nurses will instead be part of the new Merit-based system that will replace the current EB system. Nurses are there. Not because the word schedule A or nurse is not found on the draft means nurses are not part of the Merit-based system or there won't be a similar thing for a schedule A.
The Merit-based (a.k.a. points system) system actually gives extra points to jobs in high demand if we read the merit-based system provision.
However, I think this is much too early to fully discuss everything in detail as the draft currently circulating in the net will definitely change via multiple amendments after the debates and that is just the Senate version. It will still have to go in the House and after that, there is still going to be a conference committee to mend the Senate and House version, so the final draft will be quite diff. from what we are seeing circulating in the net and we are not sure w/c ones will actually survive. Many are unhappy w/ the current Senate version. Expect changes or it will not pass.
Let's wait what happens and what the final draft will be, if it ever goes to that stage. Just my two cents.
We should not oppose the bill at this very early stage. This bill is better than nothing...atleast a starting point is needed to get us all moving. What we could hope for is that Sec. 505 for shortage occupation be not deleted, which I think it won't be. It is too small to be taken up on the floor. Sec. 505 will help us nurses because it sets no limit to visas for schedule A up to 2017.
Regarding the point system, it will help us, nurses also. How? The point system is biased towards college graduates, english speakers, those with job offers, experienced nurses, middle-aged people.....No problem for us, nurses!
And more, for those with pending or approved petition, the old system will apply...90,000 visas per year are reserved for us!
What more can we hope for? This is better than nothing....this is a great compromise between the liberals and the conservative....liberals alone cannot do it and so the conservative...it must be give and take cases....not one side getting all the pluses and the other side getting all the minuses....both sides will get some pluses and minuses....
Let's hope and pray!
The US will build more "fence" along the borders to secure the territory from illegal immigrants. However, there are some who can manage to enter using valid visas, find decent work, and over-stay their visas. I am against those who work illegally without valid licence and visa. However, deporting more than 1 million illegal immigrant is not practical. For this reason, I am for the "Z" visa, which will penalize them ($5000) but will surface them out of the shadows...atleast the good ones will surface....except those with criminal cases, they won't ofcourse....Now, since this is a nursing forum, let's talk something about the nurses....I, as a nurse who is taking the legal path, hope and pray that something be given to us this year to get us moving...I am not compelling the law makers...I am praying and hoping...
And as we keep saying, there has not been one word mentioned in the 400 pages that are out about nurses. Period. This is what you are failing to understand. Hoping for something, and what is actually out there are two completely different things. This thread is not about wishes but actual concrete information that will be helpful to nurses. And there is not one thing that has come out or is being discussed right now. That is the point that we are trying to make here. We try to give the honest side of things, not the same as other sites are doing. And I stand 100% by the information that we put up here.
We should not oppose the bill at this very early stage. This bill is better than nothing...atleast a starting point is needed to get us all moving. What we could hope for is that Sec. 505 for shortage occupation be not deleted, which I think it won't be. It is too small to be taken up on the floor. Sec. 505 will help us nurses because it sets no limit to visas for schedule A up to 2017. Regarding the point system, it will help us, nurses also. How? The point system is biased towards college graduates, english speakers, those with job offers, experienced nurses, middle-aged people.....No problem for us, nurses!And more, for those with pending or approved petition, the old system will apply...90,000 visas per year are reserved for us!What more can we hope for? This is better than nothing....this is a great compromise between the liberals and the conservative....liberals alone cannot do it and so the conservative...it must be give and take cases....not one side getting all the pluses and the other side getting all the minuses....both sides will get some pluses and minuses....Let's hope and pray!
Sorry, but yes, there are many parts of that bill that need to not be approved the way that they have been written. You are not a US citizen, nor do you pay taxes in the US, so not sure why it is even up for you to decide whether we should approve it or not approve it. And there is currently no Schedule A, and definitely do not expect an unlimited cap for ten years, that is not going to happen.
And there is nothing about 90,000 visas being saved for nurses. And again, if the recaptured visas are used, it is also for the dependents of the nurses, so only about 30,000 nurses would actually get visas if that were the case. And there are hundreds of thousands waiting for a visa.
letina
828 Posts
And as we keep saying, there has not been one word mentioned in the 400 pages that are out about nurses. Period.
So, best case scenario is? Am I correct in thinking the only hope for nurses waiting to get here is for their PD to be current (presuming their case is complete already and waiting for packet 4 from the Embassy) ??
The senate voted to cut the guest workers visa limit to 200,000! Let's hope something for nurses will come-up....about Sec. 505, it is not mentioning "nurses", but talking about schedule A, where nurses are part of due to shortage....
Let's hope Sec. 505 will not be deleted!
Again the issue is that everyone is under the EB-3 category right now. Unless their PD date is before the cut-off of 2005, they are not expected to get anything right now. It is going to take them sometime to get thru those petitions that are pending with the older PD dates. Remember that the June Bulletin dates do not go into effect until next Friday, they have not started with the process as of yet. The Bulletin comes out early to give advance notice of what they will be doing. So do not expect the PD date to change at least for a few months. It will be more hopeful to think that visas will be available in some number in November at the earliest.
The nurses that have PD dates from 2005, that long ago and there were issues with their petition/employer/attorney in the first place or they would have been in the US already before the retrogression went into effect.