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Hello everyone, i heard the retrogression might end in August. Let us continue to pray for the best.

FutureUSRN specializes in awaiting for Schedule A visa...

Hello everyone, i heard the retrogression might end in August. Let us continue to pray for the best.

I'm afraid this might not be entirely true. Congress will recess in August. Just like last year, the Senate passed the CIR before the August break; however, the Lower house did not take it and instead passed a "Border" bill.

Some predictions would be that Senate will pass the "new compromise" bill before the August break. The Lower house will start to debate in July and hopefully, to pass a bill before the break as well (This we cannot be sure), Then comes the AUGUST BREAK!

Both Houses need to meet and agree on the final bill. We are lucky if they'll be able to do this before August, else it will be done in September....

The big question actually is: Will the Lower House agree to the "Z" Visa, which they say is an "amnesty" to those who broke the law?

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The good thing is that for those with pending/approved i-140, the old system will apply, not the merit-based point system.

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This is democracy at work! Messy but all sides have to be heard! The proposed CIR or initial versions are out on the Web. My Atty. did not want to show me or give me a copy bec. all these are the 'proposed' CIR. Anyone have a link or copy?

Actually the CIR contains about 1000 pages, and the most that anyone has seen is about 400. This is one of the reasons for all of the issues with it. And I personally do not like what they have in it right now, not with the drug wars going on in Mexico right now. If this plan passes as it is, at least the parts that we have heard of, we will get the wars up here, and that is not a good thing at all.

Safety still has to be at the top of the list.

FutureUSRN specializes in awaiting for Schedule A visa...

Let's just hope for the best...if nothing happened this fiscal year, atleast they must give us something like the re-capture of unused visas...this will help us to get us moving...

All we can do is hope and pray....

Let's just hope for the best...if nothing happened this fiscal year, atleast they must give us something like the re-capture of unused visas...this will help us to get us moving...

All we can do is hope and pray....

Sorry, but they are not required to give out anything. And there is nothing that states that recaptured visas will be used for just nurses. Right now, they are being used for all under EB-3. And that is alot of people that are under that. And they have been waiting and waiting, as well.

That's true. Why should unused visa only be assigned to Nurses? They already got 50,000 unbelievable number last time. Many people are waiting waiting waiting under other categories.

Sorry, but they are not required to give out anything. And there is nothing that states that recaptured visas will be used for just nurses. Right now, they are being used for all under EB-3. And that is alot of people that are under that. And they have been waiting and waiting, as well.

One more thing you can do is to have Your Freinds and Relatives in the U.S. who beleive in 'your cause' call their respective Senators and Congressmen as well as call the Whitehouse to complete the CIR which is on the agenda for today! It is never too late! And this is also an important lesson for us on how Democracy in the US works (or vice versa? depending on where you sit?)

FutureUSRN specializes in awaiting for Schedule A visa...

Let us hope and pray for all people in the world who would like to immigrate into the United States...they are waiting and waiting as well...some even broke the law by over-staying their visas or entering illegally, they are waiting for this law to pass as well...I am in total support of the "Z" visa which will penalize them but will help them surface out of the shadows....

That's true. Why should unused visa only be assigned to Nurses? They already got 50,000 unbelievable number last time. Many people are waiting waiting waiting under other categories.

And that 50,000 went to nurses and their dependents. Less than 20,000 went to actual RNs.

One more thing you can do is to have Your Freinds and Relatives in the U.S. who beleive in 'your cause' call their respective Senators and Congressmen as well as call the Whitehouse to complete the CIR which is on the agenda for today! It is never too late! And this is also an important lesson for us on how Democracy in the US works (or vice versa? depending on where you sit?)

Sorry, but no. There are too many issues with the CIR the way that it is, with what has been published so far. No way that it is going to pass as it is now. Already many fights going on over it, and I do mean fights.

Let us hope and pray for all people in the world who would like to immigrate into the United States...they are waiting and waiting as well...some even broke the law by over-staying their visas or entering illegally, they are waiting for this law to pass as well...I am in total support of the "Z" visa which will penalize them but will help them surface out of the shadows....

Sorry, but there is never going to be room in the US for all that wish to immigrate here. Just is not going to happen. And guess that you are not aware of the $5000 fine that needs to be paid for that visa, and that the person will need to leave the US for the processing. The ones that overstayed their visas are being picked up by immigration on a daily basis and are being deported. And they will continue to be. And for those that came over here when the retrogression had already started and are working illegally here, they are being deported as well. And sorry, I am 100% behind this. Patients lives are on the line with this.

FutureUSRN specializes in awaiting for Schedule A visa...

The US will build more "fence" along the borders to secure the territory from illegal immigrants. However, there are some who can manage to enter using valid visas, find decent work, and over-stay their visas.

I am against those who work illegally without valid licence and visa. However, deporting more than 1 million illegal immigrant is not practical. For this reason, I am for the "Z" visa, which will penalize them ($5000) but will surface them out of the shadows...atleast the good ones will surface....except those with criminal cases, they won't ofcourse....

Now, since this is a nursing forum, let's talk something about the nurses....

I, as a nurse who is taking the legal path, hope and pray that something be given to us this year to get us moving...I am not compelling the law makers...I am praying and hoping...

Administration and Bipartisan Group of Senators Reach Bipartisan Agreement on Comprehensive Immigration Reform

Release Date: May 17, 2007

Today, Administration Officials and A Bipartisan Group of Senators Reached Agreement on Comprehensive Immigration Reform Legislation. The proposal includes:

Putting Border Security And Enforcement First

Providing Tools For Employers To Verify The Eligibility Of The Workers They Hire.

Creating A Temporary Worker Program.

No Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants.

Establishing A Merit System For Future Immigration.

Ending Chain Migration.

Clearing The Family Backlog In Eight Years.

Please just see the link provided below for the whole press release.

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1179511978687.shtm

But net is surfaced with news that the new CIR puts all immigrants under same catogory, there is no schedule A ocupations. and future immigration will be based on merit system. Though the place holder bill speaks of schedule A, it will be transfered to the actual bill which will overhaul the whole immigration system.

and the nurses will be counted on line and have slim chances of a relief on retrogression ahead of others! Let us wait and see!!

What many of you are failing to even see is that the CIR is primarily dealing with illegal aliens and unskilled workers; such as those in farming, construction jobs and restaurants. The temporary worker visa will not help any of you at all. Please take a close look at that part.

It can only be used for up to three times, and the person needs to leave the US for a year after a two year contract. You are not going to find one hospital that will hire someone with that, no one wants to waste time and money training someone knowing that they are required to leave the country at the end of the two years.

Please be patient, even though I am well aware that it is difficult to do, but you only want to come to the US with a green card, nothing less. The treaty visas are acceptable, but they are limited to those from Canada, Mexico, and Australia; and you must hold a passport from those countries.

Anything less and you will be treated as a slave, and that is not a good thing.

Until the issue of illegal aliens and this guest worker program are taken care of, you are not going to see anything done about nurses. Nurses are professionals and should be treated as such. I would never want to be considered when they are working on these other issues.

Suzanne is right. The temporary visas or the guest worker programs (the Y visas) are not meant for nurses and professionals in general. It is meant for agricultural-related jobs, etc..

mpoova is also correct that nurses will instead be part of the new Merit-based system that will replace the current EB system. Nurses are there. Not because the word schedule A or nurse is not found on the draft means nurses are not part of the Merit-based system or there won't be a similar thing for a schedule A.

The Merit-based (a.k.a. points system) system actually gives extra points to jobs in high demand if we read the merit-based system provision.

However, I think this is much too early to fully discuss everything in detail as the draft currently circulating in the net will definitely change via multiple amendments after the debates and that is just the Senate version. It will still have to go in the House and after that, there is still going to be a conference committee to mend the Senate and House version, so the final draft will be quite diff. from what we are seeing circulating in the net and we are not sure w/c ones will actually survive. Many are unhappy w/ the current Senate version. Expect changes or it will not pass.

Let's wait what happens and what the final draft will be, if it ever goes to that stage. Just my two cents. ;)

FutureUSRN specializes in awaiting for Schedule A visa...

We should not oppose the bill at this very early stage. This bill is better than nothing...atleast a starting point is needed to get us all moving. What we could hope for is that Sec. 505 for shortage occupation be not deleted, which I think it won't be. It is too small to be taken up on the floor. Sec. 505 will help us nurses because it sets no limit to visas for schedule A up to 2017.

Regarding the point system, it will help us, nurses also. How? The point system is biased towards college graduates, english speakers, those with job offers, experienced nurses, middle-aged people.....No problem for us, nurses!

And more, for those with pending or approved petition, the old system will apply...90,000 visas per year are reserved for us!

What more can we hope for? This is better than nothing....this is a great compromise between the liberals and the conservative....liberals alone cannot do it and so the conservative...it must be give and take cases....not one side getting all the pluses and the other side getting all the minuses....both sides will get some pluses and minuses....

Let's hope and pray!

The US will build more "fence" along the borders to secure the territory from illegal immigrants. However, there are some who can manage to enter using valid visas, find decent work, and over-stay their visas.

I am against those who work illegally without valid licence and visa. However, deporting more than 1 million illegal immigrant is not practical. For this reason, I am for the "Z" visa, which will penalize them ($5000) but will surface them out of the shadows...atleast the good ones will surface....except those with criminal cases, they won't ofcourse....

Now, since this is a nursing forum, let's talk something about the nurses....

I, as a nurse who is taking the legal path, hope and pray that something be given to us this year to get us moving...I am not compelling the law makers...I am praying and hoping...

And as we keep saying, there has not been one word mentioned in the 400 pages that are out about nurses. Period. This is what you are failing to understand. Hoping for something, and what is actually out there are two completely different things. This thread is not about wishes but actual concrete information that will be helpful to nurses. And there is not one thing that has come out or is being discussed right now. That is the point that we are trying to make here. We try to give the honest side of things, not the same as other sites are doing. And I stand 100% by the information that we put up here.

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