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Religious Dilemma?

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Nurse SMS, MSN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development. Has 10 years experience.

A beautiful response to a hateful, horrible, growing prejudice. Thank you for sharing.

blondy2061h, MSN, RN

Specializes in Oncology. Has 15 years experience.

Ah, to be a student, so newly exposed to the wide variety of horrendous patients you'll have to deal with. I try and treat all patients equally, though I'm definitely warmer than some. When patients start spewing hateful prejudices or political beliefs I disagree with, I tell them, "It does sound like you're frustrated! Tell me more about the back pain- have you tried any over the counter medications?" Redirecting to less controversial topics (weather, sports, weekend plans, April the Giraffe) is a good tactic too.

Wish I could be so tolerant. Disdain and sarcasm usually is my fallback position and usually because of the limited intelligence of the progenitor I have no complaints. Unfortunately, they never understand, so my wit is wasted but I feel better. I actually never hold it against them because that's the consequences of a limited source of information like Fox and not actually reading. Can you imagine how many people are now emboldened by our President, in that you never actually have to read and still become the President? Shocking!!

~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics. Has 6 years experience.

Depending on the patient and their behavior determines how I respond. Moving to the south and not being a religious person gave me a lot of issues. Especially because it wasn't that I didn't believe in a God, I just thought he was a jerk and wanted nothing to do with him. It's different now, but I had a lot of patients wanting to save me and give me their opinions on it.

Then I also get a lot of comments about being part Mexican. I don't feel I look Mexican at all. I am not fluent in Spanish, however, I know enough and the basics and because I was raised around Spanish as a child I can enunciate it well, which makes people assume I am fluent. Although I don't look Mexican IMO I apparently look "something". So I get asked a lot and I will respond that I am Half Mexican and Half Norwegian. I had a very offensive patient once in one of my curtains. Everyone in that zone could hear her and she said many things like this man in the article. Conversation went as followed:

Her "Are you mixed with something? You look like you might be"

Me "Yes I am half Mexican and half Norwegian"

Her "Oh wow, I bet that was rough"

Me "How so?"

Her "Crossing that border, was it hard??"

*audible gasp from the curtain room next to her*

Me (without missing a beat and with a completely straight face) "Nah with El Nino it wasn't so bad. The water was barely deep. Now the boat ride from Norway was far worse and took 8 months"

I walked out and the people in the surrounding curtain rooms bellowed out laughing along with the people at the nurses station.

The patient, didn't have a clue and believed that. She later said she has people like me that work on her yard and she always felt bad, but that maybe their journey wasn't as bad either like mine. :| :|

Edited by ~Mi Vida Loca~RN

traumaRUs, MSN, APRN, CNS

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU. Has 27 years experience.

Moved to Nursing and Spirituality

Muslim, white boy, gay, just a girl, Christian....people don't change their stripes because they get sick and come to the hospital. The point here is what? Be a professional, set firm limits and do your job?

Got it.

Wish I could be so tolerant. Disdain and sarcasm usually is my fallback position and usually because of the limited intelligence of the progenitor I have no complaints. Unfortunately, they never understand, so my wit is wasted but I feel better. I actually never hold it against them because that's the consequences of a limited source of information like Fox and not actually reading. Can you imagine how many people are now emboldened by our President, in that you never actually have to read and still become the President? Shocking!!

So the only intolerance is toward Muslims and whomever doesn't watch Fox or didn't vote for DJT? Spare me. Ignorance knows no bounds. I've been physically attacked by patients for having white skin, but I don't blame that on the news or the president. Some people need serious help and intelligence has little if nothing to do with it. Not recognizing that is a big problem.

So the only intolerance is toward Muslims and whomever doesn't watch Fox or didn't vote for DJT? Spare me. Ignorance knows no bounds. I've been physically attacked by patients for having white skin, but I don't blame that on the news or the president. Some people need serious help and intelligence has little if nothing to do with it. Not recognizing that is a big problem.

Intelligence is what allows you to utilize the fund of knowledge you possess if you took the time to put it there. It allows you to differentiate between what's nonsense and immoral and what isn't. Acquiring the right knowledge isn't always tertiary in nature, it can come from anywhere. Hence the quip, Fox television. It streams a singular viewpoint and from its current implosions, it is again highlighted as to its bias and intolerance. I suggest you read the post again and utilize some intelligence to discern that it's about the intolerance towards a Muslim that I have a problem with. Somewhat akin to me judging you, that you maybe impetuous because you are unable to recognize that I don't subscribe to Fox's views or am I a fan of the president's conduct so far.

nursel56

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty. Has 34 years experience.

What I see there is a bigoted, most likely poorly educated man spouting his warped belief system, but I would say there is difference between that and personally attacking the medical student. I know there are horrible people who might someday find themselves under my care. I'd rather they not share this in my presence, but at that point our ethical standards prevail.

I wish the accumulation of knowledge would rid people of their poisonous attitudes, but I've learned through experience the very inhumane mental process resulting in someone asserting that 1.6 billion Muslims are terrorists who want to kill us pretty much assures dismantling that has very little chance of success.

You always hope for a conversion through a kind act. In that sense the article gave me a glimmer of optimism.

Intelligence is what allows you to utilize the fund of knowledge you possess if you took the time to put it there. It allows you to differentiate between what's nonsense and immoral and what isn't.QUOTE]

Intelligence and a well formed conscience are two different entities. An uneducated wage earner in a developing country is able to make better moral judgments than a Princeton Professor like Peter Singer.

My point is that conflating a particular point of view with intelligence can sometimes betray an underlying ignorance. Just sayin'.

Intelligence is what allows you to utilize the fund of knowledge you possess if you took the time to put it there. It allows you to differentiate between what's nonsense and immoral and what isn't.QUOTE]

Intelligence and a well formed conscience are two different entities. An uneducated wage earner in a developing country is able to make better moral judgments than a Princeton Professor like Peter Singer.

My point is that conflating a particular point of view with intelligence can sometimes betray an underlying ignorance. Just sayin'.

Isn't that somewhat paradoxical? The uneducated wage earner is actually displaying intelligence which is the ability to differentiate information, analyze or parse. Tertiary obtained information doesn't necessarily make you intelligent unless you can formulate that information into distinct acceptable behaviors conducive to society. In his environment the low wage earner has learnt to treat others respectfully and as he would like to be treated. That ability of assessment of surrounding interactions and information optimally, is what defines intelligence for me.

I think Mr Singer deserves the respect of having a point of view however confused he may be. He concludes as an academic without the subsequent humanity required for an overall opinion. Unfortunately I wonder if he does it for the attention and following monies or maybe he is pathological?

Getting into LPN school in a few days, so I have no real dog in the healthcare side of 'isms, but I wonder where the lines for me will be. Can I go ahead and prepare my statement?

I am Catholic/Republican/white/a man. But I am also a nurse. I can offer you my skills to the best of my ability, regardless of how you feel about my identity. It's your decision if you're open to working with me.

Or maybe I'll just agree with them? I wore many hats waiting tables, earning tips by being whoever the customer wanted me to be. Yup, blacks are stupid and whites are racists and Catholics are pedophiles and Muslims are terrorists and nope, the Holocaust didn't happen and neither did the Armenian genocide and yes, it is a shame Democrats kill babies before Republicans can eat them.

The internet is great for exposition. In the real world my mind is preoccupied with school costs and car repair and a new baby and and and.

Getting into LPN school in a few days, so I have no real dog in the healthcare side of 'isms, but I wonder where the lines for me will be. Can I go ahead and prepare my statement?

I am Catholic/Republican/white/a man. But I am also a nurse. I can offer you my skills to the best of my ability, regardless of how you feel about my identity. It's your decision if you're open to working with me.

Or maybe I'll just agree with them? I wore many hats waiting tables, earning tips by being whoever the customer wanted me to be. Yup, blacks are stupid and whites are racists and Catholics are pedophiles and Muslims are terrorists and nope, the Holocaust didn't happen and neither did the Armenian genocide and yes, it is a shame Democrats kill babies before Republicans can eat them.

The internet is great for exposition. In the real world my mind is preoccupied with school costs and car repair and a new baby and and and.

And this makes you immune from empathizing with a woman who probably never chose her religion or the peripherals that goes with it. I know we can actually be effective carers by just doing our jobs but I can assure you that our job is actually enhanced so much more when we engage emotionally with our patients. We feel their joys so much more and the endorphins Produced serves to make it a worthwhile goal. Try and explore if you are a little bit more complicated than you appear to be. Search for your humanity!

Here.I.Stand, BSN, RN

Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro. Has 16 years experience.

Her "Crossing that border, was it hard??"

*audible gasp from the curtain room next to her*

Me (without missing a beat and with a completely straight face) "Nah with El Nino it wasn't so bad. The water was barely deep. Now the boat ride from Norway was far worse and took 8 months"

Oh yeah, and your longboat probably wasn't comfortable either. And if you opted for our people's traditionally preserved cod instead of catching fresh fish...... :barf02: :laugh:

And this makes you immune from empathizing with a woman who probably never chose her religion or the peripherals that goes with it. I know we can actually be effective carers by just doing our jobs but I can assure you that our job is actually enhanced so much more when we engage emotionally with our patients. We feel their joys so much more and the endorphins Produced serves to make it a worthwhile goal. Try and explore if you are a little bit more complicated than you appear to be. Search for your humanity!

Ehhhhh our job is enhanced so much more when we engage emotionally with patients, but your fallback for an incorrect worldview is disdain and sarcasm.

It all just boils down to I should empathize with the people you would empathize with. And I suspect that will hold true with everyone, including the disdained.

I'll likely end up in corrections to start and mental health later on so I can lean more to yes, murder really is wrong and no, there aren't really smurfs in the room rather than trying to wade through who I need to be culturally sensitive to and whose tears I need to wipe away when a medical student realizes there very certainly is a group of people on earth who think they would be better off if he didn't exist.

Davey Do

Specializes in around 25 years psych, 10 years medical. Has 42 years experience.

What I see there is a bigoted, most likely poorly educated man spouting his warped belief system

Yeah, nursel- consider the source

Years ago, there was this patient who insulted me for some reason or another. I replied, "You know, your words would bother me. If I had any respect for you." The patient later apologized and I told them that they had redeemed themselves and won some respect from me. All's well that ends well.

Perhaps my reply was not the most appropriate, but therapeutic results occurred.

"Something is important because we give it importance."

The medical student made this individual's beliefs important. She allowed them to be important enough to affect her emotionally. There needs to be a separation of personalities and principles here. The principle is that we're here to perform a service and not to make another's beliefs, or personality, important.

Ehhhhh our job is enhanced so much more when we engage emotionally with patients, but your fallback for an incorrect worldview is disdain and sarcasm.

It all just boils down to I should empathize with the people you would empathize with. And I suspect that will hold true with everyone, including the disdained.

I'll likely end up in corrections to start and mental health later on so I can lean more to yes, murder really is wrong and no, there aren't really smurfs in the room rather than trying to wade through who I need to be culturally sensitive to and whose tears I need to wipe away when a medical student realizes there very certainly is a group of people on earth who think they would be better off if he didn't exist.

The problem with empathy is that you either have it or you don't. It's not really an acquired trait. It also applies in almost every situation. You see things from other people's perspectives. It is a good thing to have as a nurse, not so much for a Dr, but definitely for a nurse. As an experienced mental health nurse, I'd stay away from Psych nursing especially if corrections appeals to you.