Reasons for not getting into a for profit school?

Tashbun · Jun 3, 2016

@KCMnurse the schools pass rates are good (my own research not what was put in front of me)

also at least here in SoCal the places I have been employed (which are reputable) hire new grad from a lot of for profits schools. If you want to get somewhere super prestigious its kindve a matter of experience at that point and not where you graduated, might take longer but I've seen it. Also as of right now there is a cc and a for profit school that's on ~notice~ from the CA BON that they could pull their programs (not hearsay, it's on the CA Gov website). This seems common/not so out of the norm bc I've had cowrokers at different schools tell me their program at some point was on notice as well, APU's fast track in particular. You just have to change what wrong and have someone come check it out again...kinda like a food inspection. (This happened to APU like two-three years ago tho, not recent).

meanmaryjean, DNP, RN · Jun 3, 2016

@wrench party the school I am aiming for is BON approved, just not wasc. There is an opportunity to trasnfer to a particular wasc school for bsn tho.
@thecommuter no one has mentioned a required gpa but you do need to score a 62% on the TEAs V (and AN has such a great section on it)
@buyerbeware thank you for your post. These two things were the only thing that I had thought about. Others are right, idk what went wrong with the "Friend" but since it's a friend of a friend I'm not gonna ask either. And unfortunately a for profit school is looking like my only option as the cc system is already competitive and getting more so bc SoCal is about to role out their cc BSN programs and 1/2 the schools in the area I'm not competitive enough to for them. I understand the risks of reputation but like I stated before I have two different friends/coworkers who have gone to this school and have honest trustworthy opinions of the good and the bad. And it's ~not as expensive~ as other for profits schools.

OP- Boards of Nursing do NOT accredit schools.

If the school you/ your friend are considering is not regionally (WASC) accredited- you will not be able to transfer ANY of the credits to ANY accredited BSN program.

Please listen to the advice you're being given here: DO NOT ATTEND A FOR-PROFIT SCHOOL!

Tashbun · Jun 3, 2016

@meanmaryjean I understand that he BON doesn't accredit schools, I only meant that the program itself is approved.

ok so this is what I've researched, if someone here is from SoCal please correct me if I am wrong.

-if a school's PROGRAM itself is BON approved, You would be allowed to test for your board lic

-the school itself is not wasc accredited and I am ok with that bc I can transfer to West Coast Uni for BSN (not ideal but I'm fine with it) and then carry on with my msn somewhere else or just stay at this school for my BSN

pixiestudent2 · Jun 3, 2016

I've never heard of anyone being rejected from a for profit school.

Buyer beware, BSN · Jun 4, 2016

If someone "slips" in, trust me they will soon "slip" right back out, especially at the "for profit" school I attend. Yes, almost everyone who can pass the TEAYS gets in, but many don't survive the rigors of nursing school. We have testing from ATI, which is 3 strikes your out, that tends to weed out those who slip in.

Just wondering. What for-profit school do you go to?

What is their graduation and retention rate? I wish you success but I have found that most, not all, for-profit schools leave the majority of their original cohort class stranded without a diploma and heavily in debt. Did you quality vet the school before recruitment and did they ask you to sign an arbitration agreement. To be honest, I ask these questions in an earnest effort to disabuse myself of what I consider an educated, well founded, school of hard knocks bias towards the for-profit model of nursing education.

LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN · Jun 4, 2016

@meanmaryjean I understand that he BON doesn't accredit schools, I only meant that the program itself is approved.
ok so this is what I've researched, if someone here is from SoCal please correct me if I am wrong.
-if a school's PROGRAM itself is BON approved, You would be allowed to test for your board lic
-the school itself is not wasc accredited and I am ok with that bc I can transfer to West Coast Uni for BSN (not ideal but I'm fine with it) and then carry on with my msn somewhere else or just stay at this school for my BSN

WASC Is a regional accreditation; what most are suggesting is to look into a program that is CCNE or ACEN credited; you can Google and find out what programs have this accreditation; with employers being picky, and if you end up working for the military or the federal government (it's possible), they ask for this particular accreditation in considering an applicant.

Most people see themselves getting into a program and not waiting, only to find out that their job search is increasingly harder, especially when they choose and non CCNE or ACEN program when employers are asking for this-you never know where one's first job will be at, and the best thing is to increase one's chances of being the candidate that gets a job sooner rather than later.

joanna73, BSN, RN · Jun 4, 2016

As some have mentioned, even the for profit schools have minimum requirements (GPA between 2.5-2.8, letter of intent) and a certain number of seats.

If they have 100 seats and 150 applicants, then 50 people are not getting in.

Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. Look at other alternatives OP.

Tashbun · Jun 4, 2016

@ladyfree28 I go to Mt Sac (a cc) now but they are neither acen or ccne accredited.

-all the ccne programs listed on their website are all UNis as you need to have a BSN program to qualify

-And as for acen there is only 25 adn programs in the whole state of Cali that are listed as accredited

-question for anyone: If I get an adn at a for profit school and transferred to another for profit BSN program (this BSN program would take my for profit adn, maybe needing to retake a class or two, but this BSN program is wasc accredited) would that mean I can take that wasc accredited BSN onto a msn program?

NurseSpeedy, ADN, LPN, RN · Jun 4, 2016

(this BSN program would take my for profit adn, maybe needing to retake a class or two, but this BSN program is wasc accredited) would that mean I can take that wasc accredited BSN onto a msn program?

It really all depends on the school that you want to transfer to. I graduated from a private nursing school because they would accept my ancient pre-requisite classes. I was not willing to waste another 3 semesters taking classes when I could be finished a few months later the other route. My school was regionally accredited and was pending ACEN when I enrolled. ACEN has gone through since. There are a few schools that will take the credits from a school that lacks regional accreditation but many of them are also private so now that's even more money for higher level courses towards the BSN. The BSN from there to go on for an MSN again would be determined by the school that you apply for and what they will accept. I would just do a lot of research before jumping head first into a program that has not gained all of it's credentials. The only reason that I went the for profit route was because a community college in my area (CCNE accredited) accepted RN to BSN students from my school because they were regionally accredited (the other accreditation occurred while I was attending).

I did a lot of research on what all the accreditations meant and it's a lot for the long term. Many schools are approved to train and grant degrees for students to take the NCLEX. However, if you go to your BON website, you can look up the current pass rates for students when they take their boards. I see so many people on this website saying that they've taken it their 3rd, 4th, or 5th time and failed! Schools that do not prepare these students for what they need to know in order to be safe and competent should be shut down! There are a lot of shady private schools out there and that's why it is the students job to do their homework when choosing where to study.

Another point that I want to mention is that some hospitals that offer new grad programs require the nurse to have a degree that is ACEN or CCNE accredited. If not, they will not accept the nurse into the program.

bumpme · Jun 4, 2016

United States University (USU) here in San Diego is a for profit school that is not accredited by the CCNE. No hospital here would hire their new graduates. It also has the lowest NCLEX pass rates in San Diego.

Again do your research before you make your final decision.

meanmaryjean, DNP, RN · Jun 6, 2016

For-Profit College Industry, in Freefall, Convenes in Florida

OP: PLEASE read this article. If it doesn't convince you, then go ahead and waste your $$

HazelnutCream · Jun 6, 2016

For any applicant (to a school or a job) that is rejected, but doesn't know why.... ASK.

Not just "why didn't I get in?" but rather "I appreciate the time you spent with me/the opportunity to speak with you about [x], and wonder if you had any suggestions on what could I do to better prepare myself for similar opportunities in the future?"