We have all dealt with chronic care patients who keep coming back to the hospital because they have COPD and refuse to stop smoking, have CHF but can't be bothered to be compliant with their medications, or they are ESRD but they won't change their lifestyle, yet expect to be rescued whenever they eat a bucket of chicken while drinking a case of soda but can't make their dialysis appointment.
A more experienced nurse told me in my first two years of nursing that she thought 20% of the population used 80% of hospital and healthcare resources. I admit my dentist has used every tactic to try to get me to floss daily... what can I say? Some habits are best learned when very young - I just can't get it done. That point being, that even intelligent people (me...LOL) can't always be made to follow a long term treatment plan if the risk of not following it, doesn't feel real.
Covid antivaxxers... I am sorry to say I am all dystopian fantasy about this. It is all those chronic illness frustrations rolled into risk of death in the fast lane scenario. I am nearly radicalized. I think that anyone who refuses to mask, get vaccinated, wash their hands while propagating myths about fake news should be required to get a special tattoo.
Then when they show up in the ED with Covid symptoms, and test positive... we ask to see the spot where the tattoo is mandated to be placed. When it proves they are fake news antivaxxers... they are escorted out of the hospital by a team in space suits to "the fairgrounds". The fairgrounds has a fence and armed guards and plenty of organic food, water, shelter, sleeping arrangements.... no phones, no computers, no Fox News, no radio.... make them be inside their own heads. Have them reassure each other it isn't real until those around them die. If they actually survive and can agree to be vaccinated before being released... then they can be released.
My county is full of fake news people. We have a vaccination rate of 49% county wide. Covid admissions are up in the region and at our hospital. We don't have that big of a hospital. Having 8-11 Covid cases is a lot for us. 2 of the 12 ICU beds and the nurses caring for them is a lot.
You don't believe Covid is real? Then we will allow you to continue with your thoughts and beliefs when you contract it, you will battle it alone at "the fairgrounds". Yes visitors are welcome... but if they enter, they cannot leave.
Seriously... we need the right to refuse to serve those who threaten our lives and families. They expect to be saved? Darwinian ideas full scale. We are only interfering with it when we try to save these idiots.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 minute ago, Esrun777 said:
Isn’t it odd that you have no problem discussing bullying while supporting a post that encourages a “dystopian fantasy” that targets a group that is largely minority?
Why would you think that I have a problem discussing bullying? You brought it up and I'm happy to talk about it. Supporting a post that includes comments like yours doesn't mean that I agree with you. Which minority is being targeted in this thread?
That is clearly the case...some of the new anti-vaccination members are obviously not nursing professionals.
Nice try but there are a lot of nurses who are fighting for the right to choose and advocate for others. Get used to it. We're not going anywhere anytime soon.
It is inexperienced colleagues who follow the herd that are the sad reality. Yes covid is real and will be here for decades to come. If you follow the science closely worldwide you would know that this virus has been politicized and facts grossly manipulated. The vaccines are nothing but money makers for big pharma and the expense of phase 3 clinical trials on the population with adverse effects often worse then getting Covid. Must I also remind you of those who have been fully vaxed and died from covid complications ??? Perhaps when you have 30 years of experience and two graduate degrees we can chat about ethical practice in nursing and medicine.
I agree totally with Mary P, couldn't have said it better, Thank you Mary, I just love common sense ‼‼‼
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 minutes ago, Zimber said:
If you can't grasp the concept of discrimination in this thread I can't help you. But nice try in trying to twist what I said. LOL
You should maybe try to make a case for "discrimination". Maybe you are referring to the anti-vaxxer content that gets removed in moderation. Is that the discrimination that is troubling for you?
Yet you were whining about bullies in this very thread...even though they don't bother you...here you are whining about being "bullied" to do the right and smart thing. Isn't it odd that you consider encouragement to get vaccinated during a pandemic to be bullying?
I see people being bullied everyday about this vaccine. If you want to call it whining to feel better about yourself have at it. You're proving my point.
Why would you think that I have a problem discussing bullying? You brought it up and I'm happy to talk about it. Supporting a post that includes comments like yours doesn't mean that I agree with you. Which minority is being targeted in this thread?
Please read what I said again, I said “no” problem - I’m aware you have no problem discussing it, hence the hypocrisy when you are supporting the idea that we can just “rant” about whatever we want without considering the repercussions. All minorities are being targeted because they are getting vaccinated at far lower rates than whites.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 minutes ago, Zimber said:
Nice try but there are a lot of nurses who are fighting for the right to choose and advocate for others. Get used to it. We're not going anywhere anytime soon.
Uh huh.
Well, some of you unvaccinated zealots will soon have fewer work places from which to infect unsuspecting patients. Get used to it. Real soon you'll not be going in many places.
I agree totally with Mary P, couldn't have said it better, Thank you Mary, I just love common sense ‼‼‼
No. Lies and disinformation ≠ common sense. It’s very odd and quite concerning that you think it does.
Can you provide factual evidence that supports any of the claims this poster made. The only accurate part is that the pandemic and the vaccines have been politicized. In the U.S.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
2 minutes ago, Zimber said:
I see people being bullied everyday about this vaccine. If you want to call it whining to feel better about yourself have at it. You're proving my point.
In your judgement they were bullied...but as you've demonstrated in this thread, your judgment about these vaccines and the public health situation is not based in reality or common sense. You are welcome to feel bullied or discriminated against...those are only feelings and they won't hurt you.
We have to stop gaslighting because it serves no purpose except to fool the very people using it. Dems don't fall for it, only republicans!
The biggest gaslighting done in this country though is to tell people that we are a democracy. We are fascism through and through except in the Democratic leaning states and cities. Even the GOP is fascist!
Fascism is essentially the concept of one set of people thinking that they are better than the other! The GOP thinks that it is better than minorities, women, LGBTQ etc which is why they gerrymander and voter suppress every chance they get. They have no respect for anyone non white so they feel justified in doing what they do.
I have no doubts that some anti vaxxers use this rationale to not take the vaccine! We live in white communities and we have God and it came from China etc. Then you have the even more ignorant, who thinks it's an experiment on them because they are so SPECIAL! Except, it's the same vaccines being given worldwide, but they wouldn't know that, because the news they subscribe to, is only domestic and very likely local. Even their information is sanitized and politisized! Exactly what fascists do!
It's what politics and religion does! It isolates you into these small groups to control you! China, Turkey, Hungary, Russia etc. Kind of like chicken coops or herding cattle. And they think, that they are making free choices?
You need to take a deep look at your self because the most facist states are the ones being run by Democrats.
Zimber
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If you can't grasp the concept of discrimination in this thread I can't help you. But nice try in trying to twist what I said. LOL