i work in a very populous state on the east coast. yet when i look up actions taken against nursing licenses, i get a list of about 50 nurses who have had action taken, some of them going back as far as 2003! there are hospitals near here with over 1000 beds -- how many nurses do you think are employed in just one 1000 bed hospital? how many nurses do you think are employed in just one city like new york, dc, baltimore, philadelphia or boston?
when i lived in wisconsin, i'd get a newsletter quarterly with about 20-25 names of nurses with pending disciplinary action. only a few of those nurses had actually lost their licenses. so where is all this hysteria about "loosing" a nursing license coming from?
we have new grads quitting their jobs after mere months because they're afraid they might "loose" their license -- and by the way, the work is too hard, the hours suck and the other nurses are mean to them. now there's a thread about brutal doctors and calling them -- and someone brings up fear that they might lose their license. what's up with all of this? are nursing schools scaring people silly about the idea of losing your license? or is this just an excuse people are grasping to avoid things they'd rather avoid?
Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
"lose" their license not " "loose" as in: "I have a loose tooth" " ( please) . that is all.
That was part of the point of Ruby's post- hence the "" around loose. I think there's an entire thread devoted to words such as lose/loose and advice/advise over on the break room.
Students don't have any form of license merit, whatever that is, to work under. They are not working "under" an instructor's license, either, but they are held to the scope and standard of practice for their educational level. This means a student generally cannot, for example, make independent judgments about what to ignore and what to refer to another practitioner. A first year student who has not learned to give medications cannot give them. A second year student who hasn't learned sterile technique cannot pack an open wound. A third year student who isn't licensed as a nurse cannot make an independent nursing judgment about an injury in the field, e.g., whether to call EMS for a head injury or apparent seizure or recommend a family member to take the patient to an ER in the family car, even if s/he thinks s/he learned all about that in a 2-day ER observation.
Instructors walk a tightrope between "encouraging independence" and "OMG, my prof is bad i h8 her, kwim?" too. I am not seeing why being told one is "working under" an instructor's or other's license would be timid-making, though.
"their own merits"-RNGriffin
If you don't believe by the third year your students haven't developed critical thinking skiil to make clinical judgements ( not autonomously), there is a problem.
Also, it is a form of intimidation for any clinical instructor to lie to a student & tell him/her they're working under your license.
Your examples, once again, are out of context to the statement. I can find any extreme to why an experienced nurse wouldn't be able to make the same nursing judgements as another. I stand by my statement, without faltering, students need to learn independence during school!
GRN- I think you're a wonderful educator.
But, it boils me when I watch the students come on my unit and still have to ask the instructor what a bladder scanner is, how to manage a indwelling catheter, what's the lab values for PT & PTT...there is no learning there, it's spoon feeding.
I think the biggest offender to these myths are nursing instructors. I recall in my final semester of nursing school, I sat through a four hour lecture given by a RN turned attorney and was shown the BON websites with disciplinary action and had the fear of God put into me about the "offenses" by which my license could be revoked.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
I think the biggest offender to these myths are nursing instructors. I recall in my final semester of nursing school, I sat through a four hour lecture given by a RN turned attorney and was shown the BON websites with disciplinary action and had the fear of God put into me about the "offenses" by which my license could be revoked.
You're a nurse -- you ought to know better than to listen to an attorney!
Seriously, though, you almost have to be trying to get your license taken away. To quote a previous post from GreenTea:
you can go online and find out who suffered loss or restriction of rn license in your state. my state nursing association publishes them in the newsletter; it's maybe dozens per year, but certainly not hundreds or thousands. people lose their licenses for things like substance abuse at work, narcotics diversion, fraud, felony theft, patient abuse, and so forth. if you aren't planning on doing any of that, your risk of license restriction or loss is minuscule.
******* off the staffing coordinator, forgetting to chart something and doing an addendum later under established conventions, habitual lateness, getting the stink-eye from your supervisor-- these might cause you to lose a job or a promotion, but they do not rise to the level of losing a license. try to remember that.
While I appreciate your concern, Ruby, it is merely a suggestion I not use a personal photo as an avatar. I have nothing to hide and I stand by my words. If anyone were to search me, they would find I am a simple, boring nurse that does not post personal information r/t hospital business on social media. Furthermore, I am "friends" with 99% of my management team on Facebook.
Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
The reason others threatened me that i might lose my license?
I did not complete my Ceu's.
In NJ,it does not matter,as long as you complete them before your renewal period.
I should know,my co worker had to sit for a day last May and complete them. All 30 of them.
She paid her license renewal fee,but the Bon asked for proof of the CEU's. She got audited.
She didnt have them. What did the Bon tell her to do?
They gave her 2 weeks to complete them. That is it. She didn't get fined and no restrictions were placed on her license.
She got lucky. Failing to meet the minimum requirements for license renewal and openly stating that is not "threatening you that you might lose your license"; it's pointing out a very valid potential consequence of the action.
The reason others threatened me that i might lose my license?
I did not complete my Ceu's.
In NJ,it does not matter,as long as you complete them before your renewal period.
I should know,my co worker had to sit for a day last May and complete them. All 30 of them.
She paid her license renewal fee,but the Bon asked for proof of the CEU's. She got audited.
She didnt have them. What did the Bon tell her to do?
They gave her 2 weeks to complete them. That is it. She didn't get fined and no restrictions were placed on her license.
From what I saw in the other thread, posters weren’t threatening you. They were simply letting you know that you need to complete your CEUs for your license renewal.
I must admit that I’m slightly surprised that you’d want to start this discussion again Are you now advising fellow nurses to not complete their CEUs in a timely fashion as required because your co-worker failed to do so but according to anecdotal evidence got off scot-free?
I recently learned that nurses in my state can lose their license if they don't work enough hours to meet the practice requirement (400 hours in 2 years, 960 hours in 5 years). A nurse who falls short can sign up for a temporary license and a refresher program, but they won't be able to renew their permanent license until they complete their program.
From what I saw in the other thread, posters weren’t threatening you. They were simply letting you know that you need to complete your CEUs for your license renewal.
I must admit that I’m slightly surprised that you’d want to start this discussion again Are you now advising fellow nurses to not complete their CEUs in a timely fashion as required because your co-worker failed to do so but according to anecdotal evidence got off scot-free?
You misunderstood.
Every nurse in Nj has to renew every 2 yrs in MAY.
What i am saying is that if a nurse does not have any CEU's now is that she can complete all of them by April,and if audited show those and not get disciplined.
Why? Because she completed them before the renewal period.It does not matter that she didn't have any Ceu's the yr before.
Are you now advising fellow nurses to not complete their CEUs in a timely fashion as required because your co-worker failed to do so but according to anecdotal evidence got off scot-free?
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That was part of the point of Ruby's post- hence the "" around loose. I think there's an entire thread devoted to words such as lose/loose and advice/advise over on the break room.