"I don't want an admit..."

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As a charge nurse on a med/surg unit during the 7p shift, I am guaranteed to hear this at least one time each shift.

Yes, it's a busy shift; yes, I know you have another 4-5 patients; yes, I know Mr. Johnson needs his dressing changed and Mrs. Conner needs her PRN Norco...but it's your turn. You're up, everyone else has had an admit.

It's a simple fact on our floor--patient come to hospital; s/he is ill or has a surgical procedure planned; s/he is needing to be admitted; each admission needs a nurse. What is so hard to understand.

I help "my" staff lots with admits. I open and set up the room (if our aides are busy). I get all the stuff ready so you don't have to hunt for it--IV pole there; O2, Flowmeter, Christmas tree ready; tele monitor and leads there; admission kit on table; wound care supplies there if needed; NG tube or oral suction ready and waiting. And I'm gonna be in the room, so if there's something missing, I'll run and get it.

I help get the patient settled in and grab the orders.

I put the chart together, enter the orders, write out the MAR's, fill out the home med sheet and immunization sheet--if I can. The only thing I HAVE to do is put the chart together and enter the orders. The rest I do to help So basically the RN/LVN gets the patient in bed, assesses him, connects any tubes/lines, then take the completed paperwork. If there's any problems, I'll call the doc. I won't leave anybody hanging.

So that admit really wasn't that bad--half your stuff (paperwork) is done, your room was set up appropriately, all your orders are in.

I can't make it easier than that--do the computer assessment and care plan and you're done. (I do the computer stuff too, about 50% of the time).

Why is it such a big deal to get an admit? Why do you have to **** and moan about it? Why are you arguing that "it's not fair" or "it's not my turn"?

Put your big girl panties on, hush your mouth, and take the patient!

Thank you for letting me VENT!!!

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

I would like to see greater acceptance of the reality that acute care is about relatively quick turn around times for patients -- that by definition we are to get patients in and get patients out of acute care as quickly as possible. And acceptance of the reality that length of stay affects our very financial survival. Then perhaps it will be less about turf and more about our collective survival.

Report takes an hour on a med-surg unit? Never mind the admit -- how is that safe for your existing patients, already physically present on the unit? Who is watching them for an hour?

Specializes in neuro/ortho med surge 4.
I would like to see greater acceptance of the reality that acute care is about relatively quick turn around times for patients -- that by definition we are to get patients in and get patients out of acute care as quickly as possible. And acceptance of the reality that length of stay affects our very financial survival. Then perhaps it will be less about turf and more about our collective survival.

Report takes an hour on a med-surg unit? Never mind the admit -- how is that safe for your existing patients, already physically present on the unit? Who is watching them for an hour?

Report can take up to an hour if you have to chase 4 or 5 nurses because your assignment is divided between different nurses. This does not include all of the interruptions during report from family members, other departments, MDs, patients needing pain meds, etc. Then there is the walking rounds when the patient sees you it is true that they most likely will need something. Then you have to look at labs, radiology, and orders for the shift.

All the new staff where I work try the I dont want an admission.

I'm charge most days on the medical ward if I'm up there and as soon as I hear it they get an admission.

As far as I'm concerned, if your at work you are going to work. And don't come crying you don't want an admission.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Emergency, CEN.

To play devil's advocate, why do you have to give report RIGHT NOW when I can clearly see by the bed board the ER isn't full? !

Because maybe the MD is breathing down our neck about it, the pt has been there for 12 hours and just wants to get to their room and sleep, or we just got a call that a whopping code is coming and all but one of our staff will be in that room trying to get their system to be compatible with life.

Ok, I'm getting a little heated and this has clearly degenerated into another specialties war, so I'm out.

Specializes in Emergency.

One more point. The call of "but I already have 6 patients, another would be unsafe" is totally legitimate, however as the ER nurse it's not my fault. Talk with your manager about staffing, file a patient safety complaint, whatever you have to do, but, tonight you have an empty bed and it is an expectation of your job that you will be taking a patient into that bed. If you want to have a chat about safe I have a waiting room full of people that need to be assessed and nowhere to do it!

OP, you sound like a joy to work with, and I'm sure your coworkers (at least the ones in the ER) appreciate you.

Specializes in Orthopedic, LTC, STR, Med-Surg, Tele.

My latest pet peeve is PACU trying to send three or more post-ops at once. When I try to explain nicely that we only have so many nurses and it takes us at least 30 minutes to complete an (EASY; does not include chattys or weirdos) admission and that we can take these two patients now but you're going to have to wait until after we finish THOSE admissions to send the third and fourth, I get a snotty attitude in return. I'm like... we can only admit them so fast.

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Specializes in Med/surg, Quality & Risk.
I'd advise you not to do it. I did something pretty similar. Then got pulled into my boss's office for having a bad attitude.

Yeah, I know. If you so much as eek out a fart while you're on the phone getting report the off-reporting nurse lets her supervisor know how "rude" we are.

Specializes in Med/surg, Quality & Risk.
I work in the ER as the intake nurse for our psychiatric unit. I get all the complaints and moaning about sending up "another" admission. I can't help when the patient medically clears in the ER and only have a short window of time to get the patients out of the ER and onto the unit. Why can't any nurse take report when I call? Why does it only have to be the nurse that is assigned to that patient? Why can't the charge nurse take the report? Why does change of shift report have to take an hour and all the nurses take report on all the patients on the unit so nobody is available to take report? Really?? If we don't get admissions, we don't work, right? Come our slow season remember that when you get floated to a med/surg unit or cut! Thanks for letting me vent too!

Well, if you'd like me to answer these questions from the perspective of my hospital, the answer would be because the report you receive is so crappy that none of us wish for it to go through yet another nurse. We often get report from a nurse that "just got here," or the nurse is giving us report while the nurse who actually took care of the patient IS AT LUNCH. So no, most nurses on the floor prefer to take their own report. And can't sit around and wait until you are good and ready to give it, any more than ED nurses claim that they can't sit around and wait to give us report (even though I've waited up to 3 hours from the time I'm notified of a new admit to the time I get report.)

Specializes in Med/surg, Quality & Risk.
I would like to see greater acceptance of the reality that acute care is about relatively quick turn around times for patients -- that by definition we are to get patients in and get patients out of acute care as quickly as possible. And acceptance of the reality that length of stay affects our very financial survival. Then perhaps it will be less about turf and more about our collective survival.

Report takes an hour on a med-surg unit? Never mind the admit -- how is that safe for your existing patients, already physically present on the unit? Who is watching them for an hour?

Pretty well NOBODY! Don't blame us, you can thank the joy of bedside report for this idiocy.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.
I don't think I ever squawked too much about getting an admission; somebody's gotta do it. Some admits are easy, some are complex. I help others when I can; they help me when they can. Some charge nurses are helpful, some less so. Such is life. :smug:

That's why I never complain about admissions. The floor I work on the most sticks to its stated ratios. If its my turn, it's my turn! The other day, I overheard a nurse new to days complain about always being the first admission. I was the last scheduled admission, and I offered to switch with her. She said yes. Then, I told her its better to be first than last admission. You WILL get the last admission, and it will be when you are trying to finish up your day. Like clockwork, it came within two hours of shift change, and she was complaining that she was too busy to take it. Don't say I didn't warn you!

Yeah, I know. If you so much as eek out a fart while you're on the phone getting report the off-reporting nurse lets her supervisor know how "rude" we are.

There's a saying in my previous profession that bears weight in nursing and all facets of healthcare as well; "If you're doing your job right, you're gonna **** somebody off. Get used to it."

Specializes in Med/surg, Quality & Risk.
That's why I never complain about admissions. The floor I work on the most sticks to its stated ratios. If its my turn, it's my turn! The other day, I overheard a nurse new to days complain about always being the first admission. I was the last scheduled admission, and I offered to switch with her. She said yes. Then, I told her its better to be first than last admission. You WILL get the last admission, and it will be when you are trying to finish up your day. Like clockwork, it came within two hours of shift change, and she was complaining that she was too busy to take it. Don't say I didn't warn you!

LOL true. I have people argue and fuss when they're the only one that hasn't gotten an admission, because "so-and-so has only three patients and I'll be getting a FIFTH." Well, that usually means so-and-so has discharged three and got a new one a half hr ago, and I'm not going to give them another new patient to "make it even."

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