Questioning American Politics?

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Did our continental plates shift? Did we just decide to become a country that establishes a selected monarchy on the will of a few? What happened to voting? What happened to our elected officials? Do they blindly follow the party? Do political parties not hold elections anymore? These questions have unfolded since President Joe Biden stepped down from the democratic election. It's up to us, the concerned American citizens, to question and demand answers about this shift in our political landscape. 
When did America become a monarchy? The " hierarchy" in the democratic party forced a democratically elected President who won the primary to step down from office. The time to decide was a year ago. However, they did nothing, and we, the people, are in a situation that we never asked. I am demanding answers. To some of these valid questions?

 

[Annon16453799]

nursej22 said:

Welcome Annon. 

As to your observations:

1. Yes, very few comment on this forum. I don't know why; I wish there more. 

2. I would disagree with your second premise. I personally will be voting for a Democratic ticket for multiple reasons. As I am retired, I am not voting for job security, but for the preservation of social security and medicare. 

Yes, having good basic health is ideal, but some of us have inherited genetic conditions that we had no choice in acquiring. There are effective treatments but the cost is staggering. 

I think the whole health care system is a mess. The ACA was a start, but was weakened by doing away with the mandate and not creating a public option. The influx of private equity, and the near monopoly of health insurance companies is not a sustainable model. 

I think it is a false flag to demonize undocumented immigrants. 

A couple of observations and then I am going to step away from this toxic conversation. 

-the respondent used religious language to pejoratively insult the previous respondent.

-another respondent harped on that insult in order to illicit an emotional response.

I am well aware that undocumented migrants pay taxes. The question is whether those taxes are truly in line with the taxes that natural born Americans have paid over the years.

-the respondent elected not to respond to the section about holistic health.

I have been to Mexico and South America and parts of those countries are very wealthy. If you ask Spanish speaking patients/friends what their occupations are/were you will find that a lot of them are actually quite well educated. The elephant in the room is that the open border policies have been associated with a continuation of the trend in narcotic-related deaths. People are leaving populated cities in favor of less populated areas, in my opinion this is clearly a contributing factor. I foresee continued destruction of our country's natural resources and beauty secondary to the onslaught of suburban sprawl.  

Just wanted to get in a few more points. Having a meatless Wednesday today and went on a bike ride to the grocery store. Hope you are finding your joys every day. 

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[heron, ASN, RN]

I'm curious - what religious language are we talking about? 

[Annon16453799]

I forgot to tell you what I am making for dinner. Sorry about that. Tonight it will be a durian and bean curd barbeque served with mixed fresh greens, potatoes and sweet potatoes julienne, and sourdough with roasted garlic and sautéed baby portabellas.  

Justice is an important part of the nursing culture, and I am not denying that. However, it is established that morbidity and mortality rates increase for each single additional patient that a nurse has. I will let you draw your own conclusions from there. I do believe that we need more nurses and I enjoy working with nursing students. I do not think that new nurses can be gracefully integrated en masse. 

[heron, ASN, RN]

 Bye, Felicia.

[toomuchbaloney]

Annon16453799 said:

A couple of observations and then I am going to step away from this toxic conversation. 

-the respondent used religious language to pejoratively insult the previous respondent.

-another respondent harped on that insult in order to illicit an emotional response.

I am well aware that undocumented migrants pay taxes. The question is whether those taxes are truly in line with the taxes that natural born Americans have paid over the years.

-the respondent elected not to respond to the section about holistic health.

I have been to Mexico and South America and parts of those countries are very wealthy. If you ask Spanish speaking patients/friends what their occupations are/were you will find that a lot of them are actually quite well educated. The elephant in the room is that the open border policies have been associated with a continuation of the trend in narcotic-related deaths. People are leaving populated cities in favor of less populated areas, in my opinion this is clearly a contributing factor. I foresee continued destruction of our country's natural resources and beauty secondary to the onslaught of suburban sprawl.  

Just wanted to get in a few more points. Having a meatless Wednesday today and went on a bike ride to the grocery store. Hope you are finding your joys every day. 

- 

So that justifies voting for a mentally ill man who already assembled an angry mob and used them to try to overturn election results to retain his lost power and talks of terminating parts of the constitutionwhich might limit presidential power? 

I think that's toxic to a republic.  

[toomuchbaloney]

Crusades said:

Who are you voting for?  Independent?  Right........ 

"disagreement" is not "suppression /oppression " indeed. However to disagree with a donkey sees ad hominiem and guilt by association fallacy. 

I'm voting for the Democrat.  That clearly doesn't mean I'm a Democrat.  There are lots of people who have said publicly that they will vote for the Democrat in this contest even though they aren't Democrat.  

What does that bolded and italicized sentence mean?  I asked you if you were one of the donkeys that you referenced.  When you referenced donkeys in this thread did you intend that as an ad hominiem? Please clarify.  

[Crusades]

toomuchbaloney said:

I'm voting for the Democrat.  That clearly doesn't mean I'm a Democrat.  There are lots of people who have said publicly that they will vote for the Democrat in this contest even though they aren't Democrat.  

What does that bolded and italicized sentence mean?  I asked you if you were one of the donkeys that you referenced.  When you referenced donkeys in this thread did you intend that as an ad hominiem? Please clarify.  

Yeah. I'm voting Trump and that clearly doesn't make me a Nazi, cult victim  and yet you suggested several times that a vote for Trump indeed means it does. So I'll go with....... you're a Democrat because you are voting democrat. 

The donkey is the democrat political symbol. So if you consider that ah hominiem or a insult, I guess I was. 

[Crusades]

toomuchbaloney said:

So that justifies voting for a mentally ill man who already assembled an angry mob and used them to try to overturn election results to retain his lost power and talks of terminating parts of the constitutionwhich might limit presidential power? 

I think that's toxic to a republic.  

I guess all that justifies two attempted assasinations? Does it not? 

[toomuchbaloney]

Crusades said:

I guess all that justifies two attempted assasinations? Does it not? 

Nah. I don't believe in violence as a means to an end. You've asked me that before and my answer is unchanged.  

I don't think one can justify either violence or voting for a mentally ill man who already tried to over turn election results because he lost.  You obviously disagree given that you defend the mentally ill guy and pretend that he didn't try to retain lost power through extraconstitutional means.  

[toomuchbaloney]

Crusades said:

Yeah. I'm voting Trump and that clearly doesn't make me a Nazi, cult victim  and yet you suggested several times that a vote for Trump indeed means it does. So I'll go with....... you're a Democrat because you are voting democrat. 

The donkey is the democrat political symbol. So if you consider that ah hominiem or a insult, I guess I was. 

Correct.  Voting for Trump doesn't make you a Nazi, it simply makes you a person willing to vote for the candidate of white supremacists and neo-Nazis.  It's your own words and defenses of Trump's words which make you appear as a cult member.  

Or, by your standard, you must voting for Trump because you are a white nationalist, Nazi sympathizer as well as being a republican and cult member. 

I mean, it's not really an insult to be considered a Democrat, it's just not an accurate reflection.  Lots of people just don't think that republicans have forwarded a reasonable presidential candidate since 2016 and there's really only two choices. I'm one of those people.  

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

Annon16453799 said:

I am well aware that undocumented migrants pay taxes. The question is whether those taxes are truly in line with the taxes that natural born Americans have paid over the years. 

State taxes for goods: food, clothing, household items, appliances, vehicles etc, are paid at time of purchase by all at time of consumption.  

[Crusades]

NRSKarenRN said:

State taxes for goods: food, clothing, household items, appliances, vehicles etc, are paid at time of purchase by all at time of consumption.  

There seems to be a large number of migrants that use social services. 

Quote

The 2022 SIPP indicates that 54 percent of households headed by immigrants — naturalized citizens, legal residents, and illegal immigrants — used one or more major welfare program. This compares to 39 percent for U.S.-born households.

The rate is 59 percent for non-citizen households (e.g. green card holders and illegal immigrants).

Compared to households headed by the U.S.-born, immigrant-headed households have especially high use of food programs (36 percent vs. 25 percent for the U.S.-born), Medicaid (37 percent vs. 25 percent for the U.S.-born), and the Earned Income Tax Credit (16 percent vs. 12 percent for the U.S.-born).

https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrants-and-USBorn