Questioning American Politics?

nursej22, MSN, RN · Jul 22

Harris is not the nominee yet, officially. Primaries and caucuses choose the delegates who then choose the nominee. The delegates were elected, and they will in turn, elect a nominee.
During the general election in November, all citizens may cast a vote.
As for me, I have no party affiliation, so I had no say in choosing delegates. My state is so small, that it has role in the final electoral count. It's always been this way.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jul 22

Relax, you will still be able to elect the President, Biden just won't be on the ballot. What is this monarchy you're talking about?

Yes, it's unprecedented for the one who has one the primaries to drop out of the race and his successor will not have won a primary. But we still be able to vote and a king or queen will not take the throne.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jul 23

Nationally prior to 1973, it was ONLY political party bosses and convention delegates who made the choice at the convention for who ran in the general Presidential election.

PA has a closed Primary election: only members of each party chooses candidates. For Democrats, Its been the Biden-Harris ticket with voters choosing them or other candidates who ran: Dean Phillips got just 3.5%, Biden remainder 96.5%. Under the Pennsylvania Election Code, the presidential and vice presidential nominees selected at the Democratic National Convention will appear on the general election ballot as the Democratic candidates for president and vice president. Similar in other states.

No Labels party could not attract a candidate to run for President as major national alternative to R-Trump + D-Biden. Still have other smaller party candidates to choose from: Green, Libertarian parties have persons meeting President ballot.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 23

These are unprecedented times as we struggle to maintain our democratic republic while the right wing authoritarian and his allies will lie, cheat and break laws to gain power. "Any means necessary" was a mantra among Trump's ardent supporters in 2020 and that sentiment is getting repeated in speeches and rhetoric now.

It looks like the delegates will mostly coalesce behind Harris. That makes sense.

https://apnews.com/article/harris-biden-presidential-candidate-election-withdraw-9fbd153493cb3f088994854fe61a73e9

I'm accustomed to having no say in presidential primaries or general elections since I moved from Michigan years ago.

It seems that Haley may have endorsed Trump but at least one of her PACs is now backing Harris.

https://www.allsides.com/news/2024-07-22-0915/politics-nikki-haley-voters-pac-backs-kamala-harris-there-no-time-lose

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jul 24

Fox News is devoting some time to the idea that Dems have a coronation rather than a competition and that the Black Lives Matters movement is also objecting to not having a primary winner as the nominee. So while it's interesting to see Fox News first call him unfit and switch their angle to this narrative I guess I understand a bit more where the monarchy idea comes from.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 24

Tweety said:

Fox News is devoting some time to the idea that Dems have a coronation rather than a competition and that the Black Lives Matters movement is also objecting to not having a primary winner as the nominee. So while it's interesting to see Fox News first call him unfit and switch their angle to this narrative I guess I understand a bit more where the monarchy idea comes from.

Would you call that fabricated and elevated narrative about monarchy propaganda? I would.

The black political activists are excited to take a black woman all the way to the presidency. They've been blowing up ZOOM participant limits to organize around and behind Harris.

It's cute that the Liars Club at Faux News is still in the business of making things up to to help Trump manage his cult. They must have some real insider information about BLM thinking.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jul 24

toomuchbaloney said:

Would you call that fabricated and elevated narrative about monarchy propaganda? I would.

The black political activists are excited to take a black woman all the way to the presidency. They've been blowing up ZOOM participant limits to organize around and behind Harris.

It's cute that the Liars Club at Faux News is still in the business of making things up to to help Trump manage his cult. They must have some real insider information about BLM thinking.

Fox News generally does not make up stories. It's interesting what they choose to focus on, that sometimes other news organizations cover but don't harp on.

Apparently BLM objects to how this was handled.

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Black Lives Matter demands that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) immediately host an informal, virtual snap primary across the country prior to the DNC convention in August. We call for the Rules Committee to create a process that allows for public participation in the nomination process, not just a nomination by party delegates. The current political landscape is unprecedented, with President Biden stepping aside in a manner never seen before. This moment calls for decisive action to protect the integrity of our democracy and the voices of Black voters.

While Joe Biden wasn't our preferred candidate, we cannot ignore the troubling actions of the Democratic Party:

The DNC refused to host debates during the primary, even though a vast majority of Democratic voters wanted them. This would have likely allowed America to see the decline of Joe Biden in 2023.

The DNC changed the primary schedule and created rules that made it almost impossible for non-Biden candidates to appear on the ballot, effectively clearing the field of any challengers to the incumbent president.

Following the primary where millions of Black voters weighed in, after one poor debate performance, the DNC Party elites and billionaire donors bullied Joe Biden out of the race.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-statement-on-kamala-harris-securing-enough-delegates-to-become-democratic-nominee/

toomuchbaloney · Jul 24

Tweety said:

Fox News generally does not make up stories. It's interesting what they choose to focus on, that sometimes other news organizations cover but don't harp on.

Apparently BLM objects to how this was handled.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-statement-on-kamala-harris-securing-enough-delegates-to-become-democratic-nominee/

I'll disagree with the idea that Fox doesn't generally make things up. They made up all kinds of stuff about Trump and the 2020 election. In general, they fabricate and spin content used to pollute facts and evidence that are critical of Trump or the MAGA movement.

Lots of us object to what just happened. That doesn't mean that we aren't going to still vote against Trump. The right wing spin machine will spend lots of time and capital to try to push a negative narrative. It'll play something like their failed campaign to convince us all that democrats and liberals were walking away from the DNC in 2020 or that Clinton was responsible for Bengazi.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jul 24

toomuchbaloney said:

I'll disagree with the idea that Fox doesn't generally make things up. They made up all kinds of stuff about Trump and the 2020 election. In general, they fabricate and spin content used to pollute facts and evidence that are critical of Trump or the MAGA movement.

Lots of us object to what just happened. That doesn't mean that we aren't going to still vote against Trump. The right wing spin machine will spend lots of time and capital to try to push a negative narrative. It'll play something like their failed campaign to convince us all that democrats and liberals were walking away from the DNC in 2020 or that Clinton was responsible for Bengazi.

The BLM story that we are talking about wasn't fabricated and we'll agree to disagree that generally they don't make things up. They are a Republican organization campaigning for Trump and obviously are biased, but they know enough that most of their reporting isn't made up. Sometimes they do miss the mark, but then again other media have been caught with their pants down too.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jul 24

Majority of Fox "News" that make things up is during evening prime time viewing 8PM-11PM. One of my sons doesn't believe anything on ABC/CBS/Fox/NBC/CNN/MSNBC as all "propaganda" but believes in his X Twitter news feed for its information " is what MSM holding back from citizens". Bull I say. Main stream news is vetted, with corrections published when they get it wrong. Yes, broadcast news has an angle or spin more so in past 10years but still mostly accurate AND I look at source material they present.

Anything can say what they want on internet, doesn't mean its accurate; he's learned to double check after I push back on link he sends me with multiple sources sent in reply. While doing his wash was ranting about US energy production and need to drill baby drill. Informed him that US IS #1 worldwide oil producer and Biden approved more lease production --his phone internet search confirmed my statement.

US citizens too gullible accepting first thing their friends/news feed sends them. SO intense vetting of ads/news feeds needed over next 9 months paramount to maintain a democracy.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jul 24

NRSKarenRN said:

Majority of Fox "News" that make things up is during evening prime time viewing 8PM-11PM. One of my sons doesn't believe anything on ABC/CBS/Fox/NBC/CNN/MSNBC as all "propaganda" but believes in his X Twitter news feed for its information " is what MSM holding back from citizens". Bull I say. Main stream news is vetted, with corrections published when they get it wrong. Yes, broadcast news has an angle or spin more so in past 10years but still mostly accurate AND I look at source material they present.

Anything can say what they want on internet, doesn't mean its accurate; he's learned to double check after I push back on link he sends me with multiple sources sent in reply. While doing his wash was ranting about US energy production and need to drill baby drill. Informed him that US IS #1 worldwide oil producer and Biden approved more lease production --his phone internet search confirmed my statement.

US citizens too gullible accepting first thing their friends/news feed sends them. SO intense vetting of ads/news feeds needed over next 9 months paramount to maintain a democracy.

Yes. There's a thing going around that J D Vance masturbated with a glove on a couch or some such nonsense that he wrote about in his book, and some of my friends on Facebook are posting funny memes about this. The problem is that some think this is a true story. Frequently I see things that I know aren't true on social media, especially if it's a meme.
One of my friends posted a meme that the US was the largest economy in the world and in the corner was Biden saying "I did that". I had to tell them the US has been the largest economy in the world since about 1860. People drive me nuts the dumbing down of America is pretty complete.

Still, I will maintain that most major news organizations understand that they need to be reporting the truth. For the most part I trust the mainstream media.