Questioning American Politics?

toomuchbaloney · Jul 27

luv2 said:

You are right about the funding. It is very disappointing that this is our option. Honestly, it will be the first time I do not want to vote for either candidate. R-Trump has this whole agenda called Project 2025, which is beyond scary. D-Harris did not operate at her potential.

What are you using to measure Harris' operational potential? I think you are unaware of how engaged she has been the past 4 years. It should be an easy choice; a competent and experienced candidate versus a crazy liar who tried to overthrow our government in 2020.

luv2 said:

According to the news, they made an unofficial call with delegates and agreed it would be Vice President Harris. Why not have a primary where she can be challenged and win the nomination? Not one major political Democrat is speaking up; I have nothing against her. I just wished they had an election, and the people's vote was the determination, not an appointed one.

Unprecedented times call for unprecedented action.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jul 27

luv2 said:

Yes, she was selected by the president, not elected by the people. How can you be for the people if the people you are " for" were not given a chance to vote?

I get what you're saying.

If she didn't have universal support and a challenger then perhaps it would be worth our time and money to vote. It's not like she's being forced on us. She has virtually 100% support. But I suppose for legality's sake the argument she must win the Democratic Primaries is a valid one.

I think publicly perhaps should could have done more as VP, but I think she did her assigned duties well enough.

Gerald Ford was President without a vote from the public. It's historic but it happens. Perhaps it will be challenged in the courts and maybe that's what Trump meant when he said if he loses the courts will decide.

luv2 · Jul 27

toomuchbaloney said:

What are you using to measure Harris' operational potential? I think you are unaware of how engaged she has been the past 4 years. It should be an easy choice; a competent and experienced candidate versus a crazy liar who tried to overthrow our government in 2020.

Unprecedented times call for unprecedented action.

Why not have a primary in which every registered Democrat could participate? The technology exists; I know a number of people who will sit out because they feel their voices and votes do not matter.

luv2 · Jul 27

Tweety said:

I get what you're saying.

If she didn't have universal support and a challenger then perhaps it would be worth our time and money to vote. It's not like she's being forced on us. She has virtually 100% support. But I suppose for legality's sake the argument she must win the Democratic Primaries is a valid one.

I think publicly perhaps should could have done more as VP, but I think she did her assigned duties well enough.

Gerald Ford was President without a vote from the public. It's historic but it happens. Perhaps it will be challenged in the courts and maybe that's what Trump meant when he said if he loses the courts will decide.

The Supreme Court is Trump's court, which is exactly why I want some form of a valid primary. If Project 2025 has taught me one thing, it is that the Democrats are playing chess, and the Republicans are playing the 3D version. To prevent this drama, I know having an in-person primary within the month to solidify and validate her candidacy is easier. The company and technology exist.

luv2 · Jul 27

toomuchbaloney said:

What are you using to measure Harris' operational potential? I think you are unaware of how engaged she has been the past 4 years. It should be an easy choice; a competent and experienced candidate versus a crazy liar who tried to overthrow our government in 2020.

Unprecedented times call for unprecedented action.

No, it does not we have the technology to conduct an election in the blink of an eye. Why not have a call to action for a primary election before the DNC?

luv2 · Jul 27

toomuchbaloney said:

Harris can win. It's always candidate R vs candidate D.

Yes. All media has a bias.

Everything on the internet is without "news" standards. Click bait is the normal. People must seek out important information.

Why can she win? Please explain. How is she better than Trump?

toomuchbaloney · Jul 27

luv2 said:

Why not have a primary in which every registered Democrat could participate? The technology exists; I know a number of people who will sit out because they feel their voices and votes do not matter.

It wasn't necessary to have another primary, IMV. If Harris hadn't secured the endorsement and delegates of Biden so quickly the party might have considered it. But they didn't need to. Clearly, the majority of liberals are comfortable with the other half of the Biden ticket carrying on in the campaign after Biden dropped out. Are you hearing widespread dissent or concern about this transition? Your friends are sitting out, they are giving up their voice to protest not having a voice. The evidence suggests that Harris was going to be Biden's pick, even in a primary, and the people are going to honor Biden's choice. I'm hoping your friends change their minds and vote up and down the ballot.

Democrats don't need to engage in meaningless exercises because Republicans are complaining and, once again, sowing the seeds of chaos and doubt in the minds of the voters. There is no rule, regulation or law which requires a primary vote for the party to nominate a candidate, is there? I can't find one. Maybe I'm using the wrong search parameters.

From the moment Trump announced that he was seeking reelection after trying to overturn the last election, this process has been unprecedented.

heron, ASN, RN · Jul 27

luv2 said:

Why can she win? Please explain. How is she better than Trump?

1. She has a solid history of respect for the rule of law.

2. So far, there is no evidence that she's indulged in any public or private corruption, let alone the blatant self-dealing and dishonesty committed by trump over the last half century.

3. She is feminist and anti-racist. She has been shaped by the same powerhouse tradition that gave us the likes of Shirley Chisholm, Jasmine Crockett, Letitia James, Fani Willis. Katanji Brown Jackson, and on and on and on ...

She has served four years at the side of a master statesman and public servant. She's no Joe Biden, but hopefully she's learned from him and will consider any counsel he chooses to give. Biden, for his part, has endorsed her ... that means something.

So that's a start ... so how's about you tell us why Trump is better than Harris.

luv2 · Jul 27

heron said:

1. She has a solid history of respect for the rule of law.

2. So far, there is no evidence that she's indulged in any public or private corruption, let alone the blatant self-dealing and dishonesty committed by trump over the last half century.

3. She is feminist and anti-racist. She has been shaped by the same powerhouse tradition that gave us the likes of Shirley Chisholm, Jasmine Crockett, Letitia James, Fani Willis. Katanji Brown Jackson, and on and on and on ...

She has served four years at the side of a master statesman and public servant. She's no Joe Biden, but hopefully she's learned from him and will consider any counsel he chooses to give. Biden, for his part, has endorsed her ... that means something.

So that's a start ... so how's about you tell us why Trump is better than Harris.

1-I do not doubt she respects the law, but as the border czar, how many times did she go to the border?

In my opinion, there are a host of things things that could have been done better. She did a "root cause analysis". Honestly, more could have been done.

2- I agree.

3- I do not think it is accurate. She is a leader who has not used her platform or voice to define her goal and plan for the country domestically and globally.

Trump, I would never say better than Harris

1- Trump is above the law because the Supreme Court states the same.

2-Trump is corrupt and now has the Court and potentially Congress to back him up.

3-Trump created the MAGA movement, which is the worst type of extremism to ever happen to this country( January 6th, 2020)

Trump was elected by the majority of Republicans, and we are in a situation where only a handful of people are selecting VP Harris . Does the American democrat voter choice even matter?

toomuchbaloney · Jul 27

luv2 said:

Why can she win? Please explain. How is she better than Trump?

You can't be serious.

She can win because Trump supporters are not the majority. She can win because she has a positive and hopeful message. She can win because she is an experienced politician who was already part of a consequential and successful presidential team.

She is better than Trump in every conceivable way. Harris is better educated than Trump. Harris has more government experience than Trump. She is better than Trump because she's not a felon or an adjudicated fraud. She is better than Trump because she didn't try to overthrow election results.

luv2 · Jul 27

toomuchbaloney said:

It wasn't necessary to have another primary, IMV. If Harris hadn't secured the endorsement and delegates of Biden so quickly the party might have considered it. But they didn't need to. Clearly, the majority of liberals are comfortable with the other half of the Biden ticket carrying on in the campaign after Biden dropped out. Are you hearing widespread dissent or concern about this transition? Your friends are sitting out, they are giving up their voice to protest not having a voice. The evidence suggests that Harris was going to be Biden's pick, even in a primary, and the people are going to honor Biden's choice. I'm hoping your friends change their minds and vote up and down the ballot.

Democrats don't need to engage in meaningless exercises because Republicans are complaining and, once again, sowing the seeds of chaos and doubt in the minds of the voters. There is no rule, regulation or law which requires a primary vote for the party to nominate a candidate, is there? I can't find one. Maybe I'm using the wrong search parameters.

From the moment Trump announced that he was seeking reelection after trying to overturn the last election, this process has been unprecedented.

Yes, this is going to be a tough election. You are right, but Trump has a group of Supreme Court judges that are loyal to his will and not the Constitution.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 27

luv2 said:

1-I do not doubt she respects the law, but as the border czar, how many times did she go to the border?

In my opinion, there are a host of things things that could have been done better. She did a "root cause analysis". Honestly, more could have been done.

2- I agree.

3- I do not think it is accurate. She is a leader who has not used her platform or voice to define her goal and plan for the country domestically and globally.

Trump, I would never say better than Harris

1- Trump is above the law because the Supreme Court states the same.

2-Trump is corrupt and now has the Court and potentially Congress to back him up.

3-Trump created the MAGA movement, which is the worst type of extremism to ever happen to this country( January 6th, 2020)

Trump was elected by the majority of Republicans, and we are in a situation where only a handful of people are selecting VP Harris . Does the American democrat voter choice even matter?

Who said Harris was the border czar? Please be specific if you can. Otherwise that's just rhetoric from Trump world.

Harris was Biden's VP making it inappropriate for her to be platforming HER goals or visions rather than his for the past 4 years.

Why are you so fixated on that primary process? Most voters don't participate in the primary process.

luv2 said:

Yes, this is going to be a tough election. You are right, but Trump has a group of Supreme Court judges that are loyal to his will and not the Constitution.

That's correct. The fascists are undermining our republic from several inflection points. We cannot depend upon justice in the age of clear and obvious corruption in our SCOTUS.