Question re: OG tube - New in ICU

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I have 3 years experience on an Onc floor, but I'm new to ICU. Last shift, a newly intubated s/p cabg (2 days) pt was intubated and an OG tube was placed @ 1500 and the MD said it sounded like "it is in the right place". At 1730, I was expected to give meds via the tube. I heard no air bubble in the R abd, a faint bubble midline. When I drew back on the tube, I only got frothy, clear fluid. In all the NG or OG tubes I've used, I ALWAYS got some kind of greenish gastric fluid back and ALWAYS got a clear sound of an air bubble in the R ABD. I questioned this to my preceptor (she has one year in ICU) and she too questioned the placement. She suggested I order an xray to confirm placement which I did. I did not give the meds. Another, more experienced nurse came to listen and said she "thought the bubble sound was OK". This nurse has never been helpful to me, indeed, she has exuded hostility for the 6 weeks I've oriented on the unit. She reported to the Charge Nurse that I "refuse to take direction" and the Charge Nurse reported that to the Nurse Manager. I was called on the carpet to explain my behavior. The nurse manager said it was "common" in the ICU to get back clear, frothy fluid from a pt who had not eaten in 2 days and that "if the tube had been in the lungs, the pt would have been desatting".

I would appreciate feedback from you folks.

Specializes in ICU.

My question is how do you not notice that the tube is coiled in the mouth when you are inserting it in the mouth???? I understand how it might be missed when it is being inserted as NG tube..... but you would think you would see the recoil....

Anyways, I don't get the whole big deal, and why everyone needed to make a big deal. Any question, if you reposition it and you are still unsure, pull the tube and insert the new one!

And yes, when you insert the ETT, drop the OG tube and get the confirmation for both. 2 birds with one stone!

Also, always check your P&P for insertion and verification procedure.

Go read your hospital policy and see what it says. That's all that really matters when you boil it all down.

I would not have put anything down that tube either if I had any doubts regarding it's placement.

You will not always get a return of gastric contents via aspiration either. The tube can be laying just right up against the gastric wall and it be impossible to aspirate anything all the while being in the stomach.

The other staff nurse needs to butt out. You are in orientation and you should be taking direction from your preceptor and NOT other staff nurses.

Specializes in SICU.

Gold standard is x-ray. Don't risk it without one.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

In medicine anything is possible......and I have seen IT end up in the lung....it's rare but possible. When in doubt I either get an x-ray or reinsert it myself.......but an x-ray is the "gold standard". You are responsible for you and in a court of law saying "she told me to" or "the doctor told me to" will not absolve you of responsibility......you are responsible for you. I don't care if the MD is P.O'd....it won't be the first time nor will be the last. I do what is right for me and safe for my patient.

Specializes in NICU.

I've seen NGTs end up in some interesting places. ALWAYS make sure you hear a good bolus and auscultate GI contents. If you are ever unsure pull it and start over. I've seen NGTs go past ET tube cuffs. I've seen people jam those things hard enough to make me want to cover my eyes. So yea they can end up in some crazy places. I've had an NGT go down the esophagus and curl back up into their mouth......

When on orientation my preceptor swore the feeding tube was in the right spot. I honestly couldn't hear a good bolus and it sounded stronger over the patient's lung. My preceptor told me to use it and I said no. Xray proved it was in the lung. Radiologist had to attempt to insert the thing after so many failed attempts. And he couldn't get it to go down the esophagus even under fluoro..

Go with your gut man. If you feel like something isn't right STOP. Who cares what someone else says. They don't know everything. And call the MD if you have to.... hopefully a good MD is gonna tell you to confirm with xray.

AND don't trust the OR. I've had patients come up "intubated" with the dang cuff inflated above the cords!!! Now don't go pulling and reinserting a surgeon's NGT on a fresh post op when you can see bile backing up. But check placement if you are unsure!! And call the DOC.

Specializes in ICU.

In our unit, and the other units I have worked in, a chest X-Ray is ALWAYS performed to verify placement before use. Sure, air boluses and aspiration and litmus test have their place in initial verification, but with a CXR you know for sure the NGT/OGT is in the correct place.

Your preceptor should have supported you more in this, and pushed for a CXR. In the end, it is your registration on the line, you must always act to protect this.

Specializes in ICU.

AACN has a new practice alert on gastric tube placement

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

As a CRNA, sometimes I send patients to ICU with NGTs in. If surgery was abdominal in nature (upper/lower/even GU surgeries) and not laparoscopic, I always have the surgeon physically check that my NGT is in appropriate postion and then I chart it on the anesthesia record. This may be something that your CRNAs do also and you may not know to look at the anesthesia record for this information.

Specializes in ICU.

Always order a flat plate of the abdomen for gastric tube placement. you will sleep better

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