Question for nurses who dislike where they work

angelbear · Aug 27, 2003

I cant say that it is so much dislike of management as it is atmosphere. Yes I guess that starts with management. In this particular case it seems to be case of too many cooks in the kitchen. Yet there is not anyone there to advocate for the nurses. This is what I think the problem is where I work. OK off my soapbox now.

CseMgr1, ASN, RN · Aug 27, 2003

Definitely Management. They are the ones who hold us accountable, yet do a great deal of undermining in the process, which makes our jobs next to (or impossible) to do.

WhiteCaps · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by CseMgr1
Definitely Management. They are the ones who hold us accountable, yet do a great deal of undermining in the process, which makes our jobs next to (or impossible) to do.

Well said! I don't think they even realize their undermining behaviors at times.

I am fortunate to work at a place with very good management, but the "bottom line$" still interferes with their common sense at times. They shoot themselves in the foot in the end, having to hire & train new staff, pay overtime etc instead of listening to what we say is needed for us to do our jobs.

sjoe · Aug 27, 2003

Management has always been the main problem, in my experience. People are promoted to supervisory positions with NO useful, practical training in managment (except what paperwork to fill out), much less any skill-building in leadership.

It isn't so much of a "dislike of management," as it is a clear awareness of their incompetence AND their unwillingness to develop adequate skills. Who wants to work for people, and systems, like that?

As Warren Buffett puts it, "working with people you don't like is like marrying for money."

SmilingBluEyes · Aug 27, 2003

^5 sjoe. well said.

bluenurse · Aug 27, 2003

I have found that too often managers/admin are very control freaky. I think control hungry people are drawn to those positions. True leaders have no need for control. I have often found that in situations of negative management nurses have a very difficult time acting as professionals. True professionals are generally mostly autonomous in how they perform their jobs. How can nurses be this way if management is controlling? Thus if you undermine someones sense of professionalism you undermine the entire work experience for them and nurses feel reduced to "slaves".

oramar · Aug 27, 2003

I see a lot of people share my views on managment in general. I have a slightly different view about managment. Most managers I know have much easier jobs than floor nurses. Why do I believe that. Because they will kiss any butt, dis any employee to hang on to those jobs. A lot of them take the job to get out of the fray and they want to stay out of the fray. However, I will not point the finger in this manner at nurse managers and evening and night supervisors. When they do their job they way it was meant to be done it can incredibly stressful. The ones that do their jobs the way it was meant to be done suffer terribly for it. However, we all know a lot of them avoid all the stress by just doing a crappy job.

Spaniel gal · Aug 27, 2003

For me its lack of management!! I've been in my first post since Nov last year. Had a one part time manager since then. So the problem is bad practice bullying etc is allow to go on as there is no one to answer to!

Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by oramar
I see a lot of people share my views on managment in general. I have a slightly different view about managment. Most managers I know have much easier jobs than floor nurses. Why do I believe that. Because they will kiss any butt, dis any employee to hang on to those jobs. A lot of them take the job to get out of the fray and they want to stay out of the fray. However, I will not point the finger in this manner at nurse managers and evening and night supervisors. When they do their job they way it was meant to be done it can incredibly stressful. The ones that do their jobs the way it was meant to be done suffer terribly for it. However, we all know a lot of them avoid all the stress by just doing a crappy job.

I agree with all the post's so far, but especially oramar's.

Going80INA55 · Aug 28, 2003

I believe it all starts and ends with the manager. Most of the ones I have experienced are do nothing lazy butts.

They know how to sit a good chair, kiss some butt and they have mastered the art of saying "resolve the conflict on your own."

angelbear · Aug 28, 2003

OMG bluenurse you said what i thought better than I could have.