Q+A piece: Men in Nursing and why there are no grants for men pursuing nursing school

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25 january 2002

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i am a minority in the nursing field and have found it difficult at times to climb the ladder. i have recently returned to school to obtain a higher degree in nursing but have been finding it hard to make ends meet. i am a minority because i am a man. i am surrounded by women in this field and it is not always easy to prosper. i am looking for grants to aid my schooling. i have a family and i am the only provider in my family. can you assist me?

--lambservant

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dear lambservant,

nationwide, the gender imbalance in nursing is more striking than in almost any other field of science: only 6% of registered nurses (rns) are men.

today's nursing is a far cry from what nursing used to be. nursing has always played a crucial role in health care, but today its importance is widely acknowledged. more than 75 universities and medical schools offer ph.d.s (one of several types of doctoral degrees available to nurses--see sidebar), and in 1985 nursing got its very own nih institute (the national institute for nursing research, ninr) when congress overrode ronald reagan's veto of the health research extension act of 1985.

a sampling of nursing ph.d. programs

nursing's gender imbalance persists at the highest educational and technical levels. a search of 210 active ninr grant principal investigators yielded 183 women, 18 men, and nine scientists of indeterminate gender (many of whom exercised the expedient of obscuring gender by including only a first initial). furthermore, dan o'neal, ninr's public liaison and chief of their office of science policy, points out that many male ninr-grant recipients are not nurses.

historical developments in nursing would suggest the time is right for increased numbers of men in the profession. until recently, women who wanted--or needed--to work outside the home had few options beyond teaching, nursing, and housekeeping. and though men may have been excluded from nursing in the past, today they stay away largely--though not entirely--by choice. discrimination against men may still linger in certain areas of nursing, such as obstetrics, and false stereotypes abound. nonetheless, male nurses generally report a very high level of job satisfaction.

in many fields of science it is possible to see gender disparity as an abstraction, as an academic problem. physics, for example, would undoubtedly be better off with more women, but the world has no shortage of physicists. in nursing the situation is different: there is an acute nursing shortage. at some medical centers as many as one in five nursing slots is open. a search of kaiser permanente's job opportunities web site (keyword: nursing) yielded 2557 positions at kp's 29 medical centers (kp is the nation's largest health maintenance nonprofit organization). illinois (a state chosen at random) lost 10 % of its rn workforce between 1996 and 2000, and fully one-third of illinois nurses plan to retire in the next 10 years. meanwhile, the u.s. population is aging, increasing the demand for nursing care. clearly, the nation can scarcely afford to continue to exclude half the population from the nursing profession.

largely as a result of the nursing shortage, salaries for nurses are spiraling upward. new nurses with 2-year degrees starting out at johns hopkins university hospitals earn between $42,000 and $45,000. salaries for executive nurses can exceed $100,000. though salaries are much lower elsewhere, they are climbing everywhere. higher salaries will, no doubt, draw new blood into nursing, including men, but so far there's no evidence that men are knocking down the doors.

when the extent of men's underrepresentation in nursing is considered, it is perhaps surprising that few special programs exist for bringing men into the field. a position paper of the american nurses association (ana) notes that the profession is "90% white and female," and then goes on to argue in favor of ethnic diversity, leaving gender unaddressed.

the grantdoctor (with the assistance of an able colleague) managed to find just one scholarship program giving men an explicit edge (kaiser permanente's deloras jones rn scholarship), and it's only available in california. beyond that, the doctor came up empty. many nursing schools offer minority scholarships (see sidebar), but typically those programs are reserved for ethnic minorities. nih's training programs for aspiring minority nurses are reserved for "ethnic and racial" minorities (though they also offer unrestricted training awards for doctoral and postdoctoral nurses).

[color=#000088] financial assistance for nursing students

just because you can't find a scholarship that gives special preference to men doesn't mean you can't find a scholarship. the sidebar lists several sources of financial aid for nursing students. your school's financial aid officer should know of any local scholarships you qualify for, including minority scholarships. and ask your former employer: hospitals often offer support for nurses who want to continue their education--though their support may require you to work for them after you finish school. you may also qualify for scholarships from local churches, hospitals, and service organizations. fact is, you probably don't need a scholarship intended for men; as a male nurse with work experience you're likely to be very competitive.

so why aren't there more programs aimed at increasing the number of men in nursing? apparently the dearth of men is not, in itself, considered a problem--at least not by everyone. some argue that the few men who do enter the profession already get promoted preferentially (though others argue just the opposite). others feel that, since so many other fields are dominated by men, it's okay to have one professional field that is dominated by women. ninr's o'neal wrote to me in an e-mail: "although there are several calls from the field for more men in nursing, as if that will answer some issues which seem to affect the profession, there is not good empirical data which supports a gender-specific recruitment, hiring or promotion for men in nursing."

best of luck.

--the grantdoctor

Specializes in Critical Care, ER.
True, women have struggles as minorities in such fields for years. I do wish there was more of an equal balance of men and women in the field, but as to special grants etc, I am not sure.

Men at my school as well (like nursemike) are admitted easily and have special treatment. I would have to say that equal number of men got accepted with my group as women, and there are far more women applying than men. The program population is by far made up of mostly women.

I think it's great for more men to enter the field, but it should be equally for both genders. I am sure that women entering predominantly male fields don't get that.

Just my humble opinion.

NOBODY offered me grants for being female when I was one of 5 females in my class in engineering school. :nono:

Specializes in PeriOp, ICU, PICU, NICU.
So you're class is half men. That's unusual. I would understand ill feelings then, in a field dominated by women, the women are being shut out at that school because they are women.

No ill feeling here Tweety, I guess it's a way of getting more men in the field.

Specializes in Rodeo Nursing (Neuro).

Just wanted to clarify that men were not given preference in my program. Either you had enough "points" to get in, or you didn't. I got in because I had the points, but still heard people (women) saying men got in easier. I guess that could have happened if one had enough points to qualify for entry but not enough to be guaranteed entry. The deal was, if you got 90%, you got in, regardless. If you got 80%, you got in if enough spots were available. But in our class, I believe everyone had 90%+, so there was no preference to be given.

It may sound like I resent the suggestion that we guys got an easy ride. I do, but I'm not bent out of shape over it. My classmates and I worked our butts off, regardless of gender, and no uninformed opinion can diminish our accomplishment. At the same time, I definitely disagree with anyone who thought our instructors were tougher on males. My experience was that they were very fair and quite encouraging.

My experience since school has been similar. There may be nurses around who don't like males in nursing, but I don't work with any. In fact, partly since I started as an unlicensed support worker, it seems like my fellow nurses have really been pulling for me. On the other hand, I think the several gals who started at the same time I did have generally been well-treated. One was let go--I think mainly she just couldn't handle night shift, but I gather there were other concerns. The others are fitting in nicely.

So, I am disturbed when I read on other threads of discrimination against men--just as I would be about discrimination against women. But I haven't experienced it, myself. I don't really see a need for much in the way of affirmative action for men, either. The opportunities seem to be there for anyone with the desire and ability, and that, to me, is enough. I am for some of the efforts to recruit men by raising awareness of nursing as a possibility, not because the profession particularly "needs" more men, but simply because I think there are a lot of men who could do well in this field, but may not ever have thought about it.

Thanks, ThunderWolf for the article and to whoever bumped this thread. Also, the American Assembly for Men in Nursing has had a scholarship for men, however they had overwhelming response for a few "spots."

FutureRN_Jess - You're all over the place (on the boards). I can't escape :) You may need to seek help here:

https://allnurses.com/forums/f98/signs-you-addicted-allnurses-132067.html

(BTW, I'm a member) I found you started the internet addiction thread :rotfl:

Nursemike, you took many of the words right out my mouth (need sanitizer? :) ) I wanted to point out also that what is being discussed is affirmative action. Personally, I'm against affirmative action of any kind. Affirmative action = discrimination if you look up the word. Discernment is not inheretly bad but becomes bad when applied wrongly (for race, gender, etc.)

All people should be measured on an objective scale (as much as possible) like Nursemike was giving an example of. Tales of preferential treatment are part of the stereotype, but this is not to say they're baseless. This treatment depends largely on the situation and is anecdotal at best. However, you should also consider that the average man entering nursing is 30 years old, coming from another career, and many have families. So if I was a nursing school administrator, I would be giving preference over these guys (and women in the same boat) over 18 year olds (either gender) if they're close on the scale because of the commitment factor. I know this has and is being done. If the purpose of the school is to graduate registered nurses, then this only makes sense. The problem is this "preferential pool" or demographic is predominantly men. However, I know women that fit the criteria and received the same access. I know this is anecdotal and I don't offer it has proof, but for discussion.

Meant to say also that I agree with nursemike and especially about recruiting men.

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Working towards 100th post. The excitement builds, but don't force it! :)

Specializes in Med-Surg, Geriatric, Behavioral Health.

futureTMa, to date, your current post count is 98...just 2 more to go!

Oh, I can see the fireworks already!fireworkscolorfulandbrightanimation.gif

Congrats!

Specializes in PeriOp, ICU, PICU, NICU.
thanks, thunderwolf for the article and to whoever bumped this thread. also, the american assembly for men in nursing has had a scholarship for men, however they had overwhelming response for a few "spots."

futurern_jess - you're all over the place (on the boards). i can't escape :) you may need to seek help here:

https://allnurses.com/forums/f98/signs-you-addicted-allnurses-132067.html

(btw, i'm a member) i found you started the internet addiction thread :rotfl:

nursemike, you took many of the words right out my mouth (need sanitizer? :) ) i wanted to point out also that what is being discussed is affirmative action. personally, i'm against affirmative action of any kind. affirmative action = discrimination if you look up the word. discernment is not inheretly bad but becomes bad when applied wrongly (for race, gender, etc.)

all people should be measured on an objective scale (as much as possible) like nursemike was giving an example of. tales of preferential treatment are part of the stereotype, but this is not to say they're baseless. this treatment depends largely on the situation and is anecdotal at best. however, you should also consider that the average man entering nursing is 30 years old, coming from another career, and many have families. so if i was a nursing school administrator, i would be giving preference over these guys (and women in the same boat) over 18 year olds (either gender) if they're close on the scale because of the commitment factor. i know this has and is being done. if the purpose of the school is to graduate registered nurses, then this only makes sense. the problem is this "preferential pool" or demographic is predominantly men. however, i know women that fit the criteria and received the same access. i know this is anecdotal and i don't offer it has proof, but for discussion.

meant to say also that i agree with nursemike and especially about recruiting men.

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working towards 100th post. the excitement builds, but don't force it! :)

nope, i did not start that one, but did participate in it though :rotfl:

there are many addicts roaming around, so you better seek treatment now before we catch you and convert you :D

take care and see you around :kiss

there are many addicts roaming around, so you better seek treatment now before we catch you and convert you :D

take care and see you around :kiss

well, jess. :blush: you're a married woman :uhoh21: :sofahider

:rotfl:

convert me? i'm native!

(meaning an addict already)

thunderwolf - many thanks for the fireworks :) nice effect/touch it's sort of like my first allnurses milestone. i'm sure future ones won't be so celebrated until i get that anniversary

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
NOBODY offered me grants for being female when I was one of 5 females in my class in engineering school. :nono:

And neither are men in nursing for the most part. The question is should there be scholarships based on minority status in certain programs or schools? The articlel in the OP was talking about advanced degrees.

In NC minorities were able to get grants at primarily white schools when I first went to college. White people could also get grants and claim miniority status at black schools. This was in the late 70s and 80s when I first went to college, so I'm not sure if it's the same now. I'm not sure about gender as a minority in certain fields however.

There is a terrible bias in terms of nursing against men. That is to say, while male dominated professions must endure quotas and set asides for their associated programs of study, and while advertising and recruitment drives run full swing 24/7, nothing is on the horizon for men in nursing. It's as though we don't even exist. As I said before, in one of my other posts, ONA (the ontario nursing association) does not even recognize men as a protected group! We're one of the smallest minority populations in the profession! They list women as a protected group though - go figure.

During my nursing degree program, we even had grants put before us that were ONLY open to women in nursing! Saturn-Saab-Izusu put out a an award for women in nursing only - the men were not eligible to apply. Talk about ass backwards. Men in nursing - resist the urge to purchase such gender- biased vehicles! They've lost me as a customer for life as a result of this.

I don't feel because you are a male you should get a grant. Men want to be treated equally just like women. I feel just because there aren't as many men in the nursing field as women don't make you a minority. If that was that case, then women would be a minority in police force, fireman, etc. So, don't use because you are a man as an excuse.

You know what I don't get?

Why in the world women expect to get grants for going into feilds previously dominated by men, but when men try to do the samething it is rejected. Aren't women for equality? It sure doesn't sound like it. This is a nobrainer

Specializes in Critical Care, ER.

When I was a female in a male dominated profession (electrical engineering), there was a complete pressure to prove myself. I had to meet or exceed the standards of my male counterparts. I never would have asked for special perks or privileges because I was a girl... that would have been defeating the whole point.

Am I right in saying that sex bias exists in every area of employment?

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