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Apologies, I wasn't trying to be inaccurate but quick. However, Karen is right but my last post was pretty inaccurate. I should have posted a news link. I did read some articles about his case. However, what you wrote is accurate. Thanks for the info on NHS.

Just an update but Andrew Moyhing has won his case on appeal. It's been a ruckus in the UK news. He won 550 pounds (about $900) in compensation which he declined because he just wanted the judgement.

'Mistrusted' male nurse wins sex bias case The original decision upheld the NHS stereotype that men are sexual predators.

Hi, welcome janna; I'm a nursing student and currently certifying to be a doula. Here's two threads (not long) that convinced me to be a doula: https://allnurses.com/forums/f35/glorified-birth-junkies-139427.html https://allnurses.com/forums/f35/doula-150988.html Those threads will answer some of your questions. I would definitely recommend it if you're interested in birth but you need some flexibility in your schedule. There are several certifying organizations, DONA being the biggest and most well known. There is also CAPPA, ALACE, and ICEA. Who is better is a matter of opinion. I'm going through DONA because the training was sooner and it has a bigger base and reputation. You have to read 5 birth books from their list, become a member, attend a 3 day workshop, log a certain number of hours doing it, and some other writing. The length depends on the org and you. The workshop is about $300 plus the books unless you use the library. However, you'll need the books for reference. There will also be the cost of various supplies you'll want to bring as decided by you. You're eligible. You heard right about the price range. Doulas, as a majority, are freelance. There are doula service groups that you can work for where they'll send you referrals. Look for a doula group or service in your area and give them a call/email. Hope this helps and if you have any more questions, just ask.

I haven't abandoned you :) I've been keeping up with the posts and there is some very good discussion and points. I feel I can't comment without schooling or experience.

Of course, I agree with you. Obviously there are several things to consider, but this makes for a robust healthy person, hopefully.

Yes, the media (news, especially) loves to portray us as a broken gender mostly by promoting us as sexual predators. The incidence of female sexual predators (which is rising) is handled very differently even in the courts.

:yelclap: Definitely an AMEN to that! The problem is we have different ideas on how to get to that solution. The author isn't being territorial, just questioning why things are done in the hospital as they are when her experience and research says this isn't the best for mom and baby. Oh, if it were only that easy and the end of it. AMEN to that! There is nothing more frustrating than coming to work wanting to serve your patients well only to walk in to the room and be judged before you've even said a word. Too many people want to set up an adversarial relationship from the beginning and it serves no one.

Wow, what an epiphany! :)

mitchsmom, when I mentioned that she must be looking at research, I meant that only for that post and not the whole article. Deb has spoken :) No more third person. I should tell you that that was my idea and obvious doing to try to carry out the discussion, though what was being talked about is beyond me. Basically, I don't have the knowledge to rebut what was being said so I quoted her with her permission. I agree with Deb on pushing/breathing. BTW, I'm sure she owns that book.

Part of it is what texas-rn-fnp wrote, but the majority of it unfortunately, is just the traditional stereotype. It's pretty accepted that male patients don't mind or even prefer female nurses (whether it's true or not) but the opposite is not true.

Thanks for all the response! I'm a little behind . . . "I don't teach one way to give birth...I educate and give them options." This is a verbatim accepted definition of doulas.

thanks, rninwch for the information and especially your experienced view.

Thanks Deb, you have a lot of good insight, as usual. Obviously, people have some convictions about this and that's good. I agree with SmilinBluEyes in that all people need to be responsible about their healthcare and question things, even routine procedures. We are all not the same. Going back a bit, the author wanted to say this; BTW, we didn't see the point of her joining just for this discussion, so I'm relaying messages. Obviously, she's looking at research to back up what she says even though it's not quoted.

Wow, many thanks for your great post, Deb. The trust "angle" hadn't occured to me but is certainly needed.