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  1. catsmeow1972

    New Grads with no patient care experience in the O.R

    I started my career (many moons ago) as a surgical tech and transitioned right into the OR. Over the years, I’ve dabbled in a few other things (ER, a post op surgical floor and even a brief (very) stint in ICU. I always come running back to the OR. Can I get through the the day in any area. Yeah. Am I happy and good at it it? Not so much. I used to be firmly on the side of needing some med/surg experience. But as an above poster pointed out, why should the floors be filled with people who are newly minted and already planning to leave in a year. As the peri-op 101 program has become more widespread, my tune has changed. If an OR dept is willing to put in the money and the 6 months of training into crafting an OR nurse then the med surg time is probably unnecessary. About the only time I might still recommend some floor time is if a person has come out of school, has zero healthcare background and does not have access to Peri op 101. That is more for learning time management and how to not be afraid of docs more than anything.
  2. catsmeow1972

    Referred to IPN. Newbie. Help

    Well, for starters I can say to stay the **** away from Tampa. Unless they have started using other places besides the one that bamboozled me out of more than $30k of hard cash, it’s nothing more than an overpriced carpool to 12 step meetings and where you’re living with 3 other strangers in moldy 2 bedroom 1 bath apartments that ought to be condemned. As far as wondering if money exchanges hands between these evaluators and so-called treatment programs? Directly, not provable, but when you consider that those evaluators stand to make bank off of what they ‘opine’ in those evaluations, there’s an impetus to say all sorts of stuff that justifies condemning a person to expensive treatment that of course their facility is the only one to offer and they conveniently have an open bed available...... Also it seems (again just observing but....) the more these people ‘recomandate’ treatment and contracts, the more poor souls IPN will send them, because it justifies their twisted existence. I’ve also observed that even if the evaluator maybe has some scruples and writes a truthful report, those clowns aren’t going to listen to It anyway. They’ll force a person into a contract merely to prove that they don’t have a problem. (Didn’t think it was possible to prove a negative??) . Does all of this center around the almighty dollar and what help you may (or may not) need come in a distant second. Yep. Sure does. IPN is registered as a for-profit company as are these treatment centers that they favor. Its a very sad affair. They do way more damage than good and nobody cares. And this junk about “you have 24 hours to comply.” Please, the worst criminals are not threatened like that. It does not give you time to make an informed decision and weigh your options. There’s no time to do adequate research and that scares people into bending over and opening their wallet. Oh, wait, that’s exactly the point. They prey on people’s fears. Nice, huh? My personal advice is to lawyer up. It’s worth the expense. Those dirtbags are more responsive to so-and-so, Esq. than any of us great unwashed. The attorney might not be able to get you out of a contract but can defend you against being taken to the cleaners with garbage, unnecessary treatment and being trapped in an unnecessary contract that boils down to (quoting goodfellas) **** you, pay me.
  3. catsmeow1972

    Affinity and KNAP

    Affinity being one of the major “3rd party” testing arms for these programs, it does not shock me that 1) it’s not easily determined exactly what you’re being tested for (which is fine given that just about everything except Tylenol is verboten- I exaggerate a little, but still) and 2) I suspect that if ones drills down enough, one might find that there are some of the same names among those with ownership interest in rehabs and/or background with these programs and the testing companies. This whole thing is a nice little profit generating racket for those with zero scruples. That screenshot (at least the way I read it) seems to say that there is one price for most and another larger or additional charge if you are unfortunate enough to be an affinity client. Hell, after the last 6+ years?? Nothing bizarre about any of this should be any great shock.
  4. catsmeow1972

    Affinity and KNAP

    So if I’m reading this correctly....anyone who is an affinity client is getting charged *double!* the amount for the standard testing for all the usual things. Hmmmm...not shocking... Given that I recall being told there was a form that i could use to apply for reimbursement from my insurance...a lie, of course. Insurance isn’t going to pay for something not prescribed by a doctor and for which they are not given a CPT code for. So no, not reimbursable. Also, if by some miracle they did, I am reasonably sure that it would be for far far less than the participant had to shell out up front. Yet another confirmation that these programs are all about the money...yours going to them. Very sad, indeed.
  5. catsmeow1972

    Call to action! Nurses in Monitoring Programs

    On top of agreeing with Spanked, I am inclined to think people with even the most minimal knowledge of these programs are aware that they cast thier net far and wide and sweep up folks across the spectrum of humanity. Yes, people with ‘drug issues’ but also those with psychiatric issues that have nothing to do with nursing practice and those who may have made a one time dumb decision, sometimes even before the thought of being a nurse entered their head. All of these folks are dumped into a program that has ONE modality...that of the addict on the verge of relapse. People are crammed into one-size-fits-all contracts and forced through treatment services that are mostly cash up front and do more harm than good. People are forced into these situations where they must pay and pay or forfeit that which they worked so hard for. while the need for the existence of monitoring programs cannot be disputed as there are people that benefit and there are people who should not be practicing but making such a simplistic assumption that all in these programs have ‘drug issues’ and therefore should be stripped of their livelihood is cold and inhumane and not in keeping with the idea that we are supposed to be a caring profession. This kind of thinking is precisely why changes are needed.
  6. catsmeow1972

    Attn Florida IPN Nurses

    While in the early stages of the contract, when I could not find a job due to the confines of the contract and earlier in the ridiculously drawn out ‘intake’ process and ‘recommandated’ and wholly unnecessary ‘treatment’, I actually successfully got SSDI. It took the usual 2 rejections and ALJ hearing. When I finally got to the hearing, the judge asked if I was in IPN. I was a little surprised because I had not mentioned it, Given that IPN was one of (probably the) biggest reasons why I couldn’t get a nursing job....it was a good question. I was just surprised that the judge knew anything about the existence. The judge awarded me the lump sum that equated back pay from the start to when I had found a job. I was working when the hearing finally came around so it was treated as a ‘closed claim.’ Thanks to IPNs antics however, I had 2 more of what SS calls ‘failed work attempts.’ Even though the contract is over and I’ve moved on, I still had another 15 month period while under contract that I was unable to work as a nurse because of IPN and their antics. Back then I resurrected the disability claim and went through the usual reject twice and then schedule a hearing. I have that coming up soon and will be trying for the closed claim thing again. If I prevail, and I think I might as it’s merely a repeat of the last time, I will get a rather substantial sum of money. Moral of the story....it can’t hurt to apply for SSDI. It’s a system that we paid into for years and should not feel bad about utilizing its benefits. If mental health and/or addictions are considered disabilities, well then...... It may take time and be frustrating, but it can be well worth the patience.
  7. catsmeow1972

    IPN- First Job interview.. help please

    Yaaaassss!! congrats. Make sure your CM has that chat with your supervisor ASAP. And keep on her about it. Affinity message, call, carrier pigeon, whatever. If I learned anything, those CMs don’t appear to have any sense of urgency when it comes to this stuff. On one job, i chewed my nails over a weekend because I’d had issues in the past with that. Read some of my past postings on that matter. The last time I needed their ‘approval’ I hounded them until it was done. By that point, I was at the ‘don’t try me, just don’t’ stage. I had ceased being afraid of them.
  8. catsmeow1972

    Panicked. Missed check in

    I missed one check in, in my entire contract. I knew my OCD was good for something.... In any case, that one time, I was also not selected. When I saw that the following morning, I was like Whaaaaatttt?...Aside from their system glitching (It probably didn’t) I figure that I probably, as per usual, woke at 4, pulled up the website and then just did not hit check in, then rolled over and went back to sleep. While I was selected the following morning (which may or may not have had something to with it) I never heard one word from the CM about it. I’m not sure it was even noticed. I seriously doubt that the odd missed one is a big deal. It’s when it becomes frequent or a pattern. You could do that email, I suppose if it calms your nerves but then it could also be construed, by them as an excuse to stalk you more and increase testing. I wouldn’t put anything past the crooks that run these programs nowadays.
  9. catsmeow1972

    IPN hair test

    Money grab is a pretty accurate way to put it. For part of the time I was under contract and frankly could not have worked in nursing even if I could have found a job, I actually drew SSDI. I finally was able to go back to work by the time the hearing rolled around but they awarded me a lump sum of back pay. I provided the contract to the judge and even he and their vocational expert agreed that IPN contributed to my inability to work. Since that hearing, I would up with what could be described as 2 more ‘failed work attempts,” (which failed mostly because the jobs that IPN would approve were either dangerous as hell or in an area that I am wholly unqualified for. I am currently awaiting a hearing (slated for January) to determine if they will award me for the time period between losing the last job and starting my current one. Since I’ve been at the current one and the dumb contract has expired, I have been doing swimmingly. All is well, stress is lower and I’ve even been able to wean off some of the psych meds. I’m now charging and life is good. So what did all that stupid, money wasting testing and crap do for me? Not a damn thing besides make my life hell.
  10. catsmeow1972

    A week later, and the job is done

    Awesome...congrats!!!!! We had to return this ridiculous survey paper that asked crap like most helpful part of the program (none of it) and least helpful (all of it). Weirdly enough, it had to be returned BEFORE they’d take off the handcuffs. Kinda felt like there were strings attached. Tell them what you really think and they might not let you go or lie like a rug and tell them what they want to hear. I had to chew on it for a while. Good thing I had a copy of it from another trapped soul that got out right before me. I actually wound up writing exactly what I thought of them and their little mafia. Like just about everything else, I strongly suspect they didn’t even read it. I got out the exact day that my contract ended. But then I was such a thorn for the last couple of years as I ‘grew a set’ so to speak and called out the case manager every time she tried to lie or BS me. I reckon they were as glad to see me go as I was to be gone. In any case, fly free and resume your life. The recent 3 months that I’ve been out have been awesome!,
  11. catsmeow1972

    IPN hair test

    No hair tests here, but they did tack on the blood testing back when. If you were around back about 2 years ago, they changed the rules (yeah, shocking I know) to thier benefit by claiming that ‘we may notice an increase in testing as it is a valuable tool for our recovery.’ Yeah, okay...as I roll my eyes out loud. Those ultra expensive ($109 a pop) are for alcohol and they hit me about once every 3 months in addition to the regular twice monthly pee. Completely asinine. Personally, I think it was thier profit margin that it benefited. Certainly was not me. I wasn’t even in for alcohol or substance abuse. The only hair test they did was back at the original evaluation and it was negative. Ironically never in my entire history (including the event that precipitated me being there) was there a positive drug test for anything that was not legit. I was mental health but since their ‘approved evaluators’ are all complete tools that like to slap everyone with some kind of diagnosis that justifies in or outpatient treatment....There I was...5+ long years of being treated like I had a disease that I dI’d not, while thier ‘recomm-andanted ‘treatment’ ignored my real needs. Psych treatment is not profitable for them....
  12. catsmeow1972

    TPAPN and Peth test

    Mine added them when I was about 70% through the sentence. Reason given (quoting their words) : “you. MAy notice and increase in toxicology testing as this is a valuable tool for your recovery.” Ummmm...okay. Cue eye roll. This was apparently rolled out across the population regardless of why you were there. Me? I was mental health, barely went near the stuff before this and am still not impressed by it. Never had a missed check in or a dilute or anything, yet I started having to shell out $109 extra, about every other month or so for this blood test. This was in addition to the usual expenses of around $160-200. Still not sure what I was ‘in recovery’ from that warranted this or exactly who This ‘tool’ was valuable for. Wasn’t me, that’s for sure. If one has cause for increased scrutiny...multiple dilutes, missed check ins, positives for whatever, sure I can understand the increased testing but just because they can? No, not right, sorry not sorry.
  13. catsmeow1972

    We want to add to our family

    My contract required me to give them the names and contact info for my PCP, my pharmacy and there was instructions that ‘I should inform all my providers that I am enrolled in this mess.” I had given them the current PCP info, but I moved within a few months of it beginning, changed docs and then again several times throughout the sentence. Never did I update that info and to my knowledge, nobody ever questioned it. I had specialists for a few things and I never said a word about it. There was once instance where I went to urgent care for what turned out to have been a back spasm. I know damn well the PA there didn’t have time to listen or care what the story was. I had declined the Rx for pain meds but that had zero to do with the program and more because I knew I needed a muscle relaxer more than anything. Maybe the point of informing providers is to lend credence that people ‘like us’ (whatever that actually means) can’t be trusted and we should warn providers to not prescribe stuff we’re not allowed. Frankly, I think that’s a load of manure. The generic rules of these programs seem to be that one informs the program that one will be in need of verboten medications in advance of taking them, for elective surgery for example. Okay...well fine, if I have a legit need for something that will trip a drug test, than sure I’ll say so but if whatever I am doing (having done) doesn’t involve anything that will do that, then it ain’t their business when I get my dental work done or my lady parts check up. To me, it’s another attempt at control and reminding us of the stranglehold on the lives of contractees. Perhaps, for a person in recovery, that may be at risk of relapse, that there may be a concern of ‘doctor shopping’ I guess is the phrase, this might be a useful idea but as a wholesale policy for all comers, Nope, I didn’t sign away my right to privacy and dignity. My personal advice...(just me here, not to be construed as telling anyone what to do)... when you get pregnant, pick your OB, drop a note to the program telling them as such and leave it. Have a healthy, uneventful pregnancy and when you deliver, inform program as such, send them documentation of what you may have been given. As far as disclosing this to the doc...if YOU are comfortable disclosing your history, then let that be your choice. If your history doesn’t impact your current care, then don’t but do not feel the need to say it because some faceless program demands (or thinks they can) it.
  14. catsmeow1972

    Affinity- Please Activate Account

    I was told (via phone call) on a Friday that I was done and no longer had to check in. However since I had not received the written confirmation yet (email or snail mail) and Seeing as how I had a negative level of trust in these people, having been lied to so much, come Monday, I tried to check in and I actually could. It took them over 2 weeks to actually deactivate the account. It showed ‘missed check in’ for about 5 days. Can’t say I’m surprised. Those people don’t care how much stress is caused or how important it is to us that made it through the gauntlet, or how little we believe anything most of them say.
  15. catsmeow1972

    Do you miss it?

    My issue was mental health and as my program railroaded me through their substance abuse arm (because I think that’s truly all they know how to do, in spite of their claims that they monitor mental health)...once I got out of the clutches of that *** nasty hell’s summer camp that masqueraded as a rehab (yeah, gross in more ways than one....shiver...) I found my own therapist (that took my insurance, unlike anything having to do with that horror.) I had to, as once that disgusting place ceased to be getting the money from you, you pretty much ceased to exist, so no help there. Anyhow, in our first session, my new therapist said “I bet you’ve thought more about drugs and alcohol more in the last 6 months than in your entire life.” Yeah, that’s about right. I never was a drinker, still meh about it in general. Just had a little neuro procedure that they gave me some pretty high powered pain meds for...I took 2...yuck...switched back to an NSAID real fast. I stayed with that therapist for the duration of the contract, until I moved 5 hours away. I needed her as we had to work through the PTSD that I wound up with from being stuck in that place, without any psychiatric care and no med management (I even titrated my own blood pressure meds as they refused.) 2 months out, I’m gradually getting to where I don’t step lightly around everything, living in fear of those idiots and that horrible program. I’m even titrating down on some of the meds (under care of my doc) as my stress level is lower. Life all around is pretty good. In short, alcohol for example...never cared much for it before, don’t really care much now, but in the midst of all that (including years of forced AA attendance) boy how I thought a glass of wine would be nice....
  16. catsmeow1972

    Maybe HR Won’t Notice My Accusation, ha, ha?

    I think the issue is less with the BONs and more with the fact that many of these programs are outsourced to 3rd party, frequently for-profit companies. BON sees a nurse that has a dui, SUD issues or mental health issues? Shunt them to the program, wash hands of it and done. The program (for profit, remember) is then free to stomp said nurse into mush, financially ruin and plain punish for the crime of being human, without oversight. It seems that DUIs comprise a sizable portion of program victims. Why is a dumb move, occurring on a persons personal time, fodder for ruining a career? Said person likely has already paid their dues via the criminal justice system. Where does any program get off appointing themselves to punish again? Don’t get me wrong, The BONs are still complicit in this by ignorantly shunting people to these programs regardless of the issue that brought them to their attention, but not because they make money but because it’s an easy ‘solution.’
  17. catsmeow1972

    And just like that... it's over.

    Shockingly, I do agree, sort of. There are aspects of monitoring programs that are legit. Some folks with SUDs do benefit from the required accountability. Some folks with mental health issues do benefit from monitoring. For myself, I never denied that I needed some type of help when my life spiraled out of control. That was why I self reported to begin with. I was asking for help. I needed behavioral health treatment and medication management, not to be treated like garbage, forced into a sleazy drug rehab and had my life savings jerked from me while ruining my career. My career though has risen from the ashes of what IPN did to me, thanks to my own sheer stubbornness and having been given a chance from an employer that sees that program for what it is...mostly corrupt, money sucking fraud that does more harm than good for the majority of its victims. I also prevailed, I believe because I was fortunate enough to have the financial resources for the extortion, the non stop useless drug testing (PeTH testing added mid contract for absolutely no reason?) and to be able to keep an attorney on speed dial. Many, both with actual SUD or mental health issues and without (one time dumb decision, anyone?) are drummed out of their career and livelihood for no other reason than not being able to afford the $$$. In my opinion, they need to stop with the overpriced, forced ‘evaluations’ that are nothing more than unadulterated extortion. Take the money out of the equation and allow people to seek help from legitimate, independent providers (that take insurance, are close to home and do not have connections to the programs) and it will be amazing how much less resentment there is. That alone will eliminate the blatant cash grabbing aspect. That aspect tends to cloud any real positive efforts that may or may not be buried in there. .......and stepping down off my soapbox, congrats on finishing. Mine too was very anticlimactic. I made enough noise in calling out some of the more obvious BS in my program (the lies and such) that I firmly believe they were as glad to see me go as I was to be gone. However, even though I am out of their clutches, I will continue to call out that BS when and where I can.
  18. catsmeow1972

    Probation/monitoring $$$

    The only reason I made it through, financially was because I had family. Even so, they cleaned out a bit of retirement funds (to quote my mother..”the stock market was good to us, we’ve all but recouped it.” I still hate, hate, hate that they laid out so much to a bunch of liars. The scumbags that I was sent to for the evaluation process saw only dollar signs and could not have cared less that their “help” did more harm than good. I don’t fault the family for falling for those lies because manipulation is what those creeps do and the family only wanted what was best for me, but being over 40 and living off of family generosity was nothing short of humiliating. Over the last 5 and some years, I would hazard a guess that we spent $60K or more. Then there was the lost income when the program destroyed more than one opportunity for jobs. Plus the cost of multiple moves as I had to go where I could get work. Add all that together, I think it rounds out at a cool $250K. I can’t even put a price tag on the lost chances of career advancement. Now that that nightmare is over and I actually have a reasonably decent job where I am planning to stay for the long haul, I am enjoying spending some money on some of the nice things in life...and it’s about damn time.
  19. catsmeow1972

    Florida BON

    That is awesome to hear!!!!! I am so happy. From your description of what happened, it’s clear that there were so so many irregularities, lies, half-truths and so forth, no doubt designed to drag you through the same meat grinder as I and others. The downside (not for you) is that this proves that with out legal representation, A person is going to wind up in that meat grinder, necessary or not. Unfortunately, like me, many don’t realize that until it’s far far too late. Nonetheless, congratulations on having the guts to go up against them and prevailing.
  20. catsmeow1972

    Army Veteran

    Unfortunately, IPN (and I think most of these types of programs) have their own little stable of ‘approved evaluators’ and by ‘approved’ I think means they’ll ‘opine’ whatever is necessary to suck a person into monitoring and if even remotely possible, their treatment schemes. This includes twisting whatever you might say, and even straight up lying in order to cram you into a little box that justifies branding you with some kind of substance use disorder, appropriate or not. This crap is not about recovery. These people have zero interest in wether or not you get sober, stay sober, manage your mental health issue or even keep your license. It’s about money...yours going to them and their associated cronies. All you have to do is browse the many threads here to see that the idea that the programs, the evaluators and likely even the toxicology testing arms are all in bed together. It is truly legalized extortion with your livelihood as the hostage. Should you not be able to acquiesce to their demands, usually for increasing amounts of money, as well as unnecessary (and possibly damaging) ‘treatment’ schemes, you will merely be tossed to the curb and their attention will turn to the next poor, uninformed, troubled soul/potential cash cow. In my time, 5+ years, I spent close to 6 figures on their ridiculous evaluations, testing and treatment. None of which was covered by the very good insurance that I had. Both useless evaluations and associated ‘neuropsychiatric testing’ (a whole ‘nother bit of mysterious BS as well as the ‘treatment’ they mandated were all cash only. If you think this all screams ‘unethical’ and conflict of interest’, you would be correct. As I said before, it’s not about recovery (maybe one day, a long time ago it was), it’s all about the dollar bills, baby.
  21. 1: considering buying stock in Einstein’s Bagels. I’ve had an everything bagel and cream cheese most mornings (or actually what passes for my morning, as I am currently working the night shift.) 2: rekindled my heavy water drinking habit as I am no longer paranoid of dilute drug tests. I feel better already. I have certain health issues where the easiest remedy is staying well hydrated. Since we know IPN cares nothing about those things, I have spent years dragging from fatigue, eating Zofran like candy and putting my kidneys through the wringer to suit the whims and senseless edicts from that program. Merely 6 weeks on, my skin looks better, my chronic nausea has all but disappeared and I will be very interested to see what my lab work says next month. My doc should be happy. I never told her about this crap because I was frankly tired of explaining that which defies any rational explanation to people who don’t reside in monitoring-istan. 3: as mentioned in a previous post, I partook of a glass of wine. I did so only because I could and no faceless program was pulling my strings anymore. What did I think? Ehh..so-so. I could take it or leave it. Never had an issue before and suffice it to say don’t now. Iced tea, anyway for me. 4: I’ve started a workout program since I can now sweat all I want since I can drink all the water I want. This was a must do due to point #1 above. Overall, I feel better physically. Now I have to evict the memories of monitoring from my head. Yes that crap is still renting space. Every bagel I toast...wow..poppy seeds, couldn’t have that before. Another bottle of water...wow...don’t have to worry about dilute piss tests anymore. 4am alarm goes off (the Fitbit buzzes...I just haven’t bothered to change it)...wow...no more check ins. How do y’all who are out of this handle these things...or does it just take time...
  22. catsmeow1972

    In the 44 days since end of contract for me, I have.....

    I’ve been on the night shift lately so I am awake at 4 am anyway. Even so, I look up at the clock and see it approaching 4 and a tiny part of me thinks “oh don’t forget to....” then I’m like nevermind. It’s like having to break a habit. Next week I will be transitioning back to days (the night shift was an experiment...but it’s not good for my sleep schedule.) We'll see if I can sleep til 5. I never downloaded the spectrum app purely out of spite. There is no way I was going to look at even an icon of that crap when I scrolled through my phone. I decided I was not going to let that utilize any space on my phone. I just went out to the affinity site instead. Convenience my tuchas. More like yet another means to remind us night and day of being under contract. I have a real honest to god vacation scheduled next month. No worrying about finding a LabCorp or what have you. De programming is a pretty accurate description of the process. It does get easier every day though. I’ve had no life for the last 5+ years due to the stranglehold this has had on me. Now, at the age of well, past my prime LOL, I am having to figure out how to be sociable without feeling like I have IPN branded on my forehead. I’m getting there though, slowly but surely.
  23. catsmeow1972

    In Professional Healthcare Monitoring Program

    I found once some type of ‘insurance claim’ form but the only info it had was a CPT code. There was no diagnosis and no evidence of it being ordered by a physician. I am pretty sure any insurance company would reject it based on that. Besides even if by some miracle, they did reimburse, it would be for no where near what the participant is forced to pay. If you look at your EOB from your own insurance when your own doc sends you for stuff, it’ll tell you just how little those tests actually cost. As far as getting lab results, IPN refuses to release ‘3rd party’ records and getting them from Affinity is of course impossible. Even if you have say, a profile on LabCorp for your private medical care, these tests don’t carry over and post to that. Also that would allow one to find out exactly what they test for. I went through hell and high water trying to get copies of the evaluations directly from the provider they forced me to go to....it was not an easy process by any means. They refused to email it but were willing to fax it. The only fax number I had was the UPS store down the street. So that’s where the records were sent. HIPPA y’all. In short....they don’t care. They get away with a lot of this type of behavior because it would take a lawyer and some serious $$ to challenge them and few if any people have that. And they know it.
  24. catsmeow1972

    In Professional Healthcare Monitoring Program

    SunX...sounds about right. The name is familiar but not as the director, though I know it was some fancy “executive something or other” BS title. Nonetheless, the doings that you describe rather well mesh with how it’s done here, right down them having their pet places and evaluators that are “approved”. As far as changing the participant agreement/manual at their pleasure, yup, that’s another one. The catch is when you sign the contract you are agreeing to all stips in the contract and the rules in the participant manual. There’s also a line in said manual that says something to the effect of them reserving to right to change/update the manual as they see fit. So yeah, it’s kind of a sneaky stretch but that’s how they get by making all those changes. Also yeah...some choice...play their little extortion games and open your wallet to repetitive raping or give up your means to afford living indoors. Quite a racket they’ve got going with these things.
  25. catsmeow1972

    NOW what?? Terrified...

    Ahh, hell I wouldn’t peep. Unless you are on the radar of one of these things, it isn’t relevant. IMO, it’s not relevant regardless, but these people have the unique ability to twist a persons statements into whatever they need to justify trapping them into treatment and contracts. It is is truly an ‘anything you say can and will be used against you....” Plus, any quack that tries to claim a drug problem based off of appropriate usage of medication, as you describe, would be roast beef for a lawyer. what is being referred to here in terms of THC is the OP having used either CBD or actual THC (I’d have to refer back to the post), NOT under a doctor’s order. Never minding the reason she got pulled for a test to begin with, having what is effectively a controlled substance show up that cannot be explained by a valid prescription is the issue.

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