President Biden thread

Obama's visit was a friendly visit to celebrate Obamacare and his longstanding friendship with Biden. Their friendship, their videos, the jokes, Obama giving him the Medal of Freedom were very popular with with public.  

 I'm sure he sought some council from Obama and clearly it was a publicity stunt, most likely to distract from his failures.  Publicity stunts are what politicians do a good deal of the time.

  Obama sought the council of Clinton when Clinton visited the Obama White House.  But "Desperate Biden calls on Obama help" is a bit much.  

Obama and is wife are widely popular and is one of the most sought after Democrats for appearances and his endorsement means something.  

Obviously it would be a matter of opinion how this visit would be perceived.  

It seems from Beerman's post that FOX succeeded in convincing their viewers that Obama's visit and interaction was evidence that Biden is politically weak.  

Propaganda works. 

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It seems from Beerman's post that FOX succeeded in convincing their viewers that Obama's visit and interaction was evidence that Biden is politically weak.  

Propaganda works. 

If Fox told their listeners to go jump off a cliff dressed in MAGA hats,, they would!  Non-discriminating listeners can cause a lot of damage to themselves and others.  

30 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Hilarious.

Fox listeners shouldn't be your concern.

It should be how other world leaders see our weak and feeble president.  

I dunno. It seems that most nations have come together with Biden in sanctioning Putin/Russia. 

I don't worry much about world leaders and what they think of Biden.   While he may have raised eyebrows "weak and feeble" doesn't seem to be how they describe him.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/biden-europe-trip-takeaways/index.html

America's position as the one and only superpower that bent the world to our with will our might and money is over.  France, Germany, China and India have long started to move to their own beat whether is pleases us or not.

Our infighting over covid, climate change, racism, equality,  I think began to show the world that perhaps we are not to be admired.  This was long before Biden. 

However, despite it all alliance with the US is of upmost importance to the EU and Canada at the end of the day.  Biden has shown some leadership in unity with them against Russia.  The dollar is still a safe haven and an odd side effect of an unstable Europe might be our benefit as investors look where to put their money.

I do worry more about Fox News viewers than I do other countries.  Long before Biden we've ripped at the seems and Fox News viewers are unbending in their beliefs.

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Central to Joe Biden’s unpopularity is the recent truth that no sitting president is likely to win over a substantial segment of the opposition party – no matter what he does.

If it seems like Biden can't win – at least in the popularity contests – the polling and public prove it. Progressives are mad at him for not doing more, while moderate Democratic officials worry the administration is moving too far left. Independents are souring on him. Republicans never liked him, still don't like him and probably never will, observes Marquette University Law School pollster Charles Franklin.

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2022-01-21/why-is-joe-biden-so-unpopular

5 hours ago, Beerman said:

Hilarious.

Fox listeners shouldn't be your concern.

It should be how other world leaders see our weak and feeble president.  

Not really.  The most dangerous threat to our republic was recently carried out by and  approved by Fox viewers. Those deluded people remain a threat because they cannot discern reality and truth from propaganda and lies...especially as related to Donald Trump, election security and Trump's objectives.  They are emotional, angry and easily manipulated by those emotions, aeb the events of 010621. 

The only global or political leaders that would currently describe our president as weak and feeble are despots, dictators and members of the American GOP. 

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

Do you really know that?  For one, what qualifies as a "Fox viewer"?  And, then how many do you really interact with enough to know if all their beliefs are unbending?

A Fox News viewer is one that has that as their only news source.

However, I will call myself out that I'm generalizing and can't say that all Fox News viewers are unbending in their beliefs.  All of my social circle both in real life and on social media are for the most part not Fox News viewers.  I'll leave it at that but clearly having people get their news source from an organization with a clear agenda isn't a good thing.  I don't have to look far to find examples of people that think Trump won the election, that Democrats want to let illegal immigrants in through an open border, that the country is in ruins.  

This is Florida, so a good deal of my interactions with Fox News viewers are patients that have it on all day.  They are constantly bombarded with how horrible Biden is and what a horrible country we are because of him, and they say some crazy and false things.  

I also don't like how they are using "woke" and that's my issue and just an annoyances.  Yesterday they reported something that I actually missed because I cringed "woke student protests....", instead of saying "a student protested....." which then I might have listened to.  But that's my issue.

I think you underestimate the influence of Fox News.  

Also, I'll deflect and you might remember I said that I didn't like the anti-Trump agenda that CNN took on after he was elected.  People here didn't agree with me and felt they were reporting the truth, and they were, but the slant was clear to me.

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We don't have to look outside of these threads to find folks who are unbending in their conservative-hating, nothing is ever the fault of a Democrat beliefs.  Do they concern you as much as a "Fox viewer"?

Nice deflection.  But yes they do concern me.  People that are holding fast to a false narrative concerns me.  People when asked about something and ignore it and automatically go to an anti-Trump tirade are annoying.  

 It's one thing to hold on to your core beliefs and values.  I understand that.  But to have that blind you to reality isn't a good thing.  

I personally like to know the whole story, good, bad and ugly.  An example would be "Biden's policies are the reason gas prices are so high.".   Let's dig into that and tell me why that's so.  Well, actually that's not the full story but some are so steadfast in that belief they put up stickers on gas tanks saying "I caused this..." without understanding what is going on globally and with the stockholders.

I also want the truth and not conspiracy.  You never heard me say that Trump colluded with Russia.  You won't hear me say Biden is corrupt surrounding the Hunter Biden scandal.  I'm likely to say "yes, that doesn't look good, and it's a possibility, and let the system to it's thing and I'll accept what happens".  

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

I should clarify...I'm more concerned about the perception of Biden that Putin and Jinping and others of that type have.

Do you really know that?  For one, what qualifies as a "Fox viewer"?  And, then how many do you really interact with enough to know if all their beliefs are unbending?

We don't have to look outside of these threads to find folks who are unbending in their conservative-hating, nothing is ever the fault of a Democrat beliefs.  Do they concern you as much as a "Fox viewer"?

 

Please clarify what you believe that "Putin and Jinping" perceive about Biden.  That sounds like speculation or extrapolation so maybe you could link to the actual remarks and we could decide for ourselves how they perceive the current POTUS. 

A "FOX viewer" could easily be defined as an individual who consumes FOX programming with the purpose of informing themselves. Is there some need to define that more narrowly?

It's pretty easy to make a statement about unbending beliefs when millions of FOX viewers are unbending in their belief that Trump didn't lose the 2020 election or that Trump wasn't a dangerous liar when it came to the pandemic. 

No the few crazy liberals who may hate someone simply for being a Republican aren't a large concern at the moment because they aren't the majority of liberals and they aren't trying to undermine our elections after attempting a coup after the last presidential election.  On the otherhand, liberal hating republicans do seem to be the majority voice in conservative politics and it is republicans advocating for breaking up the country. It's always a good idea to be wary of the political ambitions of cults. 

12 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Not really.  The most dangerous threat to our republic was recently carried out by and  approved by Fox viewers. Those deluded people remain a threat because they cannot discern reality and truth from propaganda and lies...especially as related to Donald Trump, election security and Trump's objectives.  They are emotional, angry and easily manipulated by those emotions, aeb the events of 010621. 

 

The only global or political leaders that would currently describe our president as weak and feeble are despots, dictators and members of the American GOP. 

"Fox viewers" = members of the military who participated in Jan. 6 insurrection.  It's because they are constantly bombarded on bases with Fox running all day in the background.  Kind of the same way that the Hitler Youth groups were brainwashed to produce an image that looks pretty much like January 6th, even though it was taken in 1933:(