President Biden thread

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Did someone whisper that into your ear? No member here has said that Biden never lies...only that he's not a liar like Trump.  Trump is what a habitual and consummate liar sounds like.  Thousands of lies from Trump just in the last 4 years. A liar uses lies as tools, as a strategy in their daily lives. Everyone else occasionally lies or says something that isn't exactly true or correct.  

It appears that Trump lies both as a habit and as a compulsion.  

Someone who lies isn't a liar hey? What? The amount of people at his inauguration? I made the same argument that everyone lies especially politicians.  You shut it down. Biden lied about his educational credentials. What about the lady that says he's sexually assaulted her. No one talks about that. Only about  grabbing them by , but not forced digital penetration right? Guess we won't believe that woman right? Because she's said something bad about Biden? 

Its things like this that turned me from a vocal non Trump supporter to a supporter. The inflated accusations, some completely redicoulas and bizarre. 

I would research the things he was accused of and didn't find the non bias info. What I did find was pure adulterated hate for a person with different ideas and beliefs. Not to mention the complete bias and double standards. He would brag and boast and that was very off putting for me. Even made me cringe. More often than not tho, when I check raw stat etc on what he was saying, or watched the full uncut clips(Charlotte town good people comments) I realized he was telling the truth and had a genuine love for his country. There were many edited clips of him that didn't show the whole story. I then saw arltcle after article spouting awful rhetoric and more cut footage etc.

Then they came for his supporters. And then the media. When in history would a news source give up the chance to report anything egregious about a president? It use to be that the media held the powers that be to accountability.  Now media is a well as you say propaganda.  All bias and truth bent. 

What you do not realize is most Trump supporters were not in the beginning. It was the outlandish accusations and double standards that you wrote above that turned them to do their own research and decide for themselves,  turned off the MSM. MSM zoned in on his less than eloquent speech style and pounced like flies on s*it. 

Don't get me wrong. I wanted to hate him and I did. It took me a while and ultimately it was the left wing media/politicians/radical activist that changed my mind. 

So blame yourself and the left for creating Trumpers or whatever. 

20 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Someone who lies isn't a liar hey? What? The amount of people at his inauguration? I made the same argument that everyone lies especially politicians.  You shut it down. Biden lied about his educational credentials. What about the lady that says he's sexually assaulted her. No one talks about that. Only about  grabbing them by , but not forced digital penetration right? Guess we won't believe that woman right? Because she's said something bad about Biden? 

Its things like this that turned me from a vocal non Trump supporter to a supporter. The inflated accusations, some completely redicoulas and bizarre. 

I would research the things he was accused of and didn't find the non bias info. What I did find was pure adulterated hate for a person with different ideas and beliefs. Not to mention the complete bias and double standards. He would brag and boast and that was very off putting for me. Even made me cringe. More often than not tho, when I check raw stat etc on what he was saying, or watched the full uncut clips(Charlotte town good people comments) I realized he was telling the truth and had a genuine love for his country. There were many edited clips of him that didn't show the whole story. I then saw arltcle after article spouting awful rhetoric and more cut footage etc.

Then they came for his supporters. And then the media. When in history would a news source give up the chance to report anything egregious about a president? It use to be that the media held the powers that be to accountability.  Now media is a well as you say propaganda.  All bias and truth bent. 

What you do not realize is most Trump supporters were not in the beginning. It was the outlandish accusations and double standards that you wrote above that turned them to do their own research and decide for themselves,  turned off the MSM. MSM zoned in on his less than eloquent speech style and pounced like flies on s*it. 

Don't get me wrong. I wanted to hate him and I did. It took me a while and ultimately it was the left wing media/politicians/radical activist that changed my mind. 

So blame yourself and the left for creating Trumpers or whatever. 

So angry I can almost see the spit flying.  Because A decided that he didn't like what he read in the newspapers, A decided to vote for B who was obviously not equipped for the job but you voted for him anyway because he didn't like the MSM and you, for some reason, decided that MSM was lying to you but B wasn't?  That's some crazy logic going on there.  All of the Covid patients dying in the southern states decided the same thing.

18 minutes ago, subee said:

So angry I can almost see the spit flying.  Because A decided that he didn't like what he read in the newspapers, A decided to vote for B who was obviously not equipped for the job but you voted for him anyway because he didn't like the MSM and you, for some reason, decided that MSM was lying to you but B wasn't?  That's some crazy logic going on there.  All of the Covid patients dying in the southern states decided the same thing.

I'm not sure you read my comment correctly. 

48 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Someone who lies isn't a liar hey? What? The amount of people at his inauguration? I made the same argument that everyone lies especially politicians.  You shut it down. Biden lied about his educational credentials. What about the lady that says he's sexually assaulted her. No one talks about that. Only about  grabbing them by , but not forced digital penetration right? Guess we won't believe that woman right? Because she's said something bad about Biden? 

Its things like this that turned me from a vocal non Trump supporter to a supporter. The inflated accusations, some completely redicoulas and bizarre. 

I would research the things he was accused of and didn't find the non bias info. What I did find was pure adulterated hate for a person with different ideas and beliefs. Not to mention the complete bias and double standards. He would brag and boast and that was very off putting for me. Even made me cringe. More often than not tho, when I check raw stat etc on what he was saying, or watched the full uncut clips(Charlotte town good people comments) I realized he was telling the truth and had a genuine love for his country. There were many edited clips of him that didn't show the whole story. I then saw arltcle after article spouting awful rhetoric and more cut footage etc.

Then they came for his supporters. And then the media. When in history would a news source give up the chance to report anything egregious about a president? It use to be that the media held the powers that be to accountability.  Now media is a well as you say propaganda.  All bias and truth bent. 

What you do not realize is most Trump supporters were not in the beginning. It was the outlandish accusations and double standards that you wrote above that turned them to do their own research and decide for themselves,  turned off the MSM. MSM zoned in on his less than eloquent speech style and pounced like flies on s*it. 

Don't get me wrong. I wanted to hate him and I did. It took me a while and ultimately it was the left wing media/politicians/radical activist that changed my mind. 

So blame yourself and the left for creating Trumpers or whatever. 

Shut it down? Sure? What I speak against is the right wing attempt to portray Trump as your run of the mill politician or individual who may state things from time to time which are not completely true. It's a strategy of propaganda. Trump is a habitual and compulsive liar...he can't help himself, it's an integral part of his public persona.  

Sure. Let's talk about credible claims of sexual misconduct for Trump and Biden.  One of the two admitted to forcing his affections on women in a reasonably famous audio tape. That same man has a couple dozen women who have made credible claims against him, but you seem really troubled by the possibility that Biden might be a sexual predator.  That seems fishy but, hey...tell me all about the claim and why you think it's a bigger deal than the claims that you ignored about Trump...the guy who cheated on all 3 of his wives and paid women hush money to not talk about the sex. 

Do you know who tries to convince the general public that all news media is inaccurate and without value? Despots and tyrants and authoritarians do that.  Lenin did it, Stalin did it, Mussolini did it, Hitler did it.  Now Trump and the GOP is doing it.  They want you to limit where and how you inform yourself so that you are more likely to believe that Trump didn't lose that election, Biden cheated.  So that Trump supporters will believe that Biden was corruptly involved with Ukraine, or that the laptop found in the little shop really belonged to Hunter or that there's a child sex trafficking ring under a DC pizza parler.

History is an amazing thing. Recent history clearly demonstrates that Trump is a liar unmatched in current politics.

You should define MSM because it's a bit concerning that you have likely narrowed your media consumption to include only that which doesn't criticize Trump or mention his disqualifying character flaws.  This fear of MSM has turned too many Trump supporters into conspiracy theorists as they visit wacko websites rather than credible journalism. 

Yes. The people who voted for a corrupt liar and cheat were just victims of the media that tried to warn them by reporting on the fellow's history of lying, cheating, and sexual misadventures. I recall Trump telling his cheering rally goers that they were all victims...like him...a victim of the truth.  

LOL

Lies and victimhood

30 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I'm not sure you read my comment correctly. 

Or you didn't make the point you thought you were making...because you clearly blamed liberals for people deciding to vote for the incompetent and corrupt conman.  

21 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I'm not sure you read my comment correctly. 

I doubt very seriously that turned Trump reporter to do their own research.  These were not the kind of people who "did research" or he never would have won the primary.  They were gullible and unsophisticated and they were had.  If they had really done any research, they would have realized that everything he touched turned to feces.  They turned to Alex Weck and other wackos who hated Obama and wanted to restore a regime that looked like them - angry, older white men overwhelmed by women and POC in power with better educations, better jobs and more power than them.  George Bush's speech was less than eloquent but he didn't engender the kind of abhorrence that Trump did because he came across as decent.  One cannot have any moral compass and vote for Trump.  Either that or you don't have a computer or read news magazines, are naive or stupid or just vote based on commercials.  How did he work out?  Wasn't that totally predictible?  He didn't have the intellectual or the emotional skills to do anything but be a good con man to desperate people.

50 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Or you didn't make the point you thought you were making...because you clearly blamed liberals for people deciding to vote for the incompetent and corrupt conman.  

Sure did! That's how it happened to me. And listening to you all solidifies it. 

34 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Sure did! That's how it happened to me. And listening to you all solidifies it. 

Take a look at your own life and see how your narrow perspective has served you? How many people do you trust in your circle? How angry and frustrated are you? 

54 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Shut it down? Sure? What I speak against is the right wing attempt to portray Trump as your run of the mill politician or individual who may state things from time to time which are not completely true. It's a strategy of propaganda. Trump is a habitual and compulsive liar...he can't help himself, it's an integral part of his public persona.  

Sure. Let's talk about credible claims of sexual misconduct for Trump and Biden.  One of the two admitted to forcing his affections on women in a reasonably famous audio tape. That same man has a couple dozen women who have made credible claims against him, but you seem really troubled by the possibility that Biden might be a sexual predator.  That seems fishy but, hey...tell me all about the claim and why you think it's a bigger deal than the claims that you ignored about Trump...the guy who cheated on all 3 of his wives and paid women hush money to not talk about the sex. 

Do you know who tries to convince the general public that all news media is inaccurate and without value? Despots and tyrants and authoritarians do that.  Lenin did it, Stalin did it, Mussolini did it, Hitler did it.  Now Trump and the GOP is doing it.  They want you to limit where and how you inform yourself so that you are more likely to believe that Trump didn't lose that election, Biden cheated.  So that Trump supporters will believe that Biden was corruptly involved with Ukraine, or that the laptop found in the little shop really belonged to Hunter or that there's a child sex trafficking ring under a DC pizza parler.

 You do! You say anyone with a different opinion is watching inaccurate and without value news. All the time . You do it all the time!! 

History is an amazing thing. Recent history clearly demonstrates that Trump is a liar unmatched in current politics.

Yes it . Including accusing  certain races of oppression and perpetrators of ones suffering on group. Sounds just like Nazi Germany. Just change white man to Jew. 

You should define MSM because it's a bit concerning that you have likely narrowed your media consumption to include only that which doesn't criticize Trump or mention his disqualifying character flaws.  This fear of MSM has turned too many Trump supporters into conspiracy theorists as they visit wacko websites rather than credible journalism. 

the same you say you do not watch. 

Yes. The people who voted for a corrupt liar and cheat were just victims of the media that tried to warn them by reporting on the fellow's history of lying, cheating, and sexual misadventures. I recall Trump telling his cheering rally goers that they were all victims...like him...a victim of the truth.  

LOL

Just like Biden telling people they are poor uneducated because they are black. 

Lies and victimhood

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

 

That was a really confusing reply. The formatting was totally glitched.  Mostly it's "nuh uh" and your ongoing struggle with the evidentiary realities of racism in our historical and current American culture.  

By the way, you can't just imply that white men in the USA are political targets like Jews in Nazi Germany were targets and expect to be taken seriously.  That's a ridiculous analogy.  

Maybe someone will explain why it's ridiculous to you.

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That was a really confusing reply. The formatting was totally glitched.  Mostly it's "nuh uh" and your ongoing struggle with the evidentiary realities of racism in our historical and current American culture.  

By the way, you can't just imply that white men in the USA are political targets like Jews in Nazi Germany were targets and expect to be taken seriously.  That's a ridiculous analogy.  

Maybe someone will explain why it's ridiculous to you.

 

I never said "white men in the USA are political targets" . Usual strawman tactic. I was referring to the idea that a specific group is responsible for pain and suffering of another group. Hitler convinced many people that because they were poor or oppressed it was the fault of the Jewish people. He said there is no way out of it and the rest is history. Did I explain than well enough for you? So where have I heard that one group is suffering and oppressed by another group? Hmmm. Same insidious evil ideas. The nazis didn't appear over night. 

No one denies there was racism in history. However every race on the planet has been guilty of it.