Plan B

OB_or_NICU_hopeful · Aug 27, 2006

I think it's funny how once arguments are made based on science and not just emotion, the flaming commences.

Umm....what exactly do you mean by that? I didn't heard anything in cardiacRN's statement that demanded anything of you and your body.

I'm not "flaming" anyone. It seems to me that we ALL have our opinions on what other women should do/not do with their bodies. And we are ALL entitled to them.

Gods child · Aug 27, 2006

I'm personally against Plan B, because I'm one of those weirdoes that doesn't believe in premarital sex or birth control for myself. But it would not bother me if other people used it as they see fit.

ortess1971 · Aug 27, 2006

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. Flaming to me is when someone wings a comment at someone else that doesn't present anything useful or productive. It's meant to tick them off or provoke. The comment that you made, unfortunately, falls into that category. But hey, no hard feelings..All of us here have had posts that kind of came from an emotional place and not a logical one.

NHavenRN · Aug 27, 2006

I'm not "flaming" anyone. It seems to me that we ALL have our opinions on what other women should do/not do with their bodies. And we are ALL entitled to them.

I have to disagree with that statement - not to get personal, but because I see it as fundamental to the difference between those pro- and those anti-Plan B (and/or other medical issues...). I specifically don't feel its right for anyone to tell - or legislate - what anyone else can do with their body and their lives, considering the issue under debate has been approved by the FDA as safe and effective from a medical perspective. And I see that view as very distinct from the statement above.

Again, I'm not trying to flame anyone either, I just wanted to clarify what for me is the foundation for how I view most of these issues.

charebec65 · Aug 27, 2006

Oh your comments are not insulting! I have many reservations about this. I am Catholic and I do feel that abortion is not acceptable, but I also struggle with seeing children suffer everyday with parents that are not prepared to raise them and don't want them. I have my moral beliefs, but reality crosses with it everytime! I truly wish that we could see mothers that give their babies up for adoption as wonderful and caring people, instead of tagged as irrespossible and cold.
This is a much bigger issue than "should plan B be available?"
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I quoted this reply because of the adoption comment ..... I don't see mothers who give up their children as irresponsible and cold. I see them as caring individuals who made the most difficult decisions of their lives. I am an adoptee. I for one am glad my BM did not abort me. Were she alive today, I would thank her for having the courage to give me to a family that desparately wanted children but couldn't. I realize that all adoptions don't work out but I have wonderful parents and a terrific brother (also adopted). I know that "T"'s intent was not to accuse everyone of feeling that way of adopted mothers....I was just relaying my feelings from personal experience....

charebec65 · Aug 27, 2006

... but no birth control method is 100%. but i have picking up in many of these posts a definite idea or viewpoint that unplanned pregnancies don't happen to women that are careful or responsible. this is so not true. you can be on the pill but still get pregnant."
amen to this one...... my only pregnancy that i was not on some form of bc resulted in fraternal twins. 2 preg. with iud (miscarried both), 1 with diaphragm with double the spermacide (miscarried) and the pill which i faithfully took at 8am....i managed to carry that one.....
........."misguided idea that plan b will lead to promiscuity and std's. this is a scare tactic by the religious right and how sad that many people get sucked in by it...."
the religious right love to use such scare tactics.....
"also, if someone is so irresponsible as to use plan b as a primary method of bc, would you really want this person giving birth to and raising a child?

amen to that one too...... i'm not for abortion though i know it has its place (at age 19 or so, i did not realize iud's were like early abortions). we just really need to accept responsibility for our actions. as strang as this may sound..... our gene pool does seem to need some work in some areas....

txspadequeenRN, BSN, RN · Aug 27, 2006

I personally think its about time this became OTC for women. However, do yall know that all the morning after pill is mega doses of BCP's. There are websites that you can look up that tell you how many pills of what type of pill to take. There is a whole list with all kinds of BCP's on it. This is nothing new, its just most women didnt know this info was avaible. I would much rather see a woman using the morning after pill than having a back alley abortion.

Natkat, BSN, MSN, RN · Aug 27, 2006

I'm curious about the idea that PlanB induces abortion through not allowing a fertalized egg to implant. From what I read it seems as though PlanB first tries to prevent fertalization, but when that doesn't happen has the mechanism to prevent implantation. Isn't this the same thing as oral contraceptives?
When fertalization occurs both prevent implantation. With PlanB there is just a higher chance that fertalization has occurred.

Plan B is different from BCPs because BCPs prevent ovulation. No ovulation = no egg. BCPs basically trick the body into thinking it's pregnant. No egg means no fertilization at all. With plan B it first tries to block fertilization and then later implantation, but there is an egg present.

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Aug 27, 2006

I'm not "flaming" anyone. It seems to me that we ALL have our opinions on what other women should do/not do with their bodies. And we are ALL entitled to them.

Actually, what I do with my body is none of your business. It never will be either.

I see that you want to work in OB? When I worked in L&D, our unit (like a lot of units) performed induced ABs on babies under 20 weeks. How will you handle working in this situation? Now these babies were all induced for medical reasons, but none the less, it's an abortion on a baby. What about withdrawing care from a premie? Will you be able to separate your beliefs from those situations?

Like a PP brought up, I wonder how Pro-lifers feel about the half million embies that are frozen right now? Am I a sinner because I want to produce more embies than I could ever use?

denysegia · Aug 27, 2006

"Plan B is not abortion. It works much like an IUD-that is, keeps the egg from implanting in the uterus."

Not preaching here....I have my own unresolved issues about abortion....but to Catholics and other Pro-life groups, anything that prevents implantation of a fertilized ovum (including IUD's) is most definitely abortion. To many, life begins at conception.

Just throwing this into the mix. We deal with many different belief systems, and just as we strive to respect Jehovah Witness's beliefs about blood transfusions, we need to understand what Pro-lifers believe, and to respect it.

So yes, while Plan B may or may not be a good thing, we need to acknowedge that it is considered to be a form of abortion to many.

777RNThatsMe · Aug 27, 2006

What does concern me, and what I have been unable to find an answer to is this: Will men over the age of 18 be allowed to purchase Plan B? If so, I am concerned about the potential for older men to abuse young girls and then give them Plan B to prevent possible pregnancy.
Bingo ...I dont think it should be sold to men, period, ever.

denysegia · Aug 27, 2006

"Isn't this the same thing as oral contraceptives?"

Combined OC work primarily by preventing ovulation, but the "mini-pill" (progesterone only) prevent implantation of an ovum.