Caught diverting,admitted to it, have a lawyer. "Complaiance meeting " is Jan 30th. Recruiters won't assit with job placement. Hospitals won't hire, wehter I explain to them or not. Will any one hire as long as it's A "grey undetermined " area.
Got a decent job offer then rejected so psychologically depressed..
Aside from me admitting guilt to personal use narcotic diversio , the key "complaints listed" are undocumented waste and giving a pain med to early, and the having a narcotic in my pocket which I had to hand off to another nurse due to changing of pt assignment.
I still have no idea what she did with it, as we should of wasted it....
Neither I nor the nurse who wasted pressed thr "confirm waste " button which honestly why the hell is it there. Nor did pharmacy or charge or manager ever bring the issue up...Until after termination via the submitted info to BON.
Been reading stories and they are all so depressing, it's like why bother ,go do something else.
HPRP program may be required which costs..get this 20k a year for 1-3 years. Sooo. 20 ***ing thousand, I could go to a luxurie inpatient rehab for that amount.
I no longer have any desire for drugs and actually avoided giving them at my last job. I found my root cause analysis.
I'm not sure, so " with stay" does not or does include mandated monitoring. I want the ability to purse another Healthcare field...so I don't want on this oig list ..
With Stay means your license is "kind of" suspended. It means you have to meet certain requirement for the first year which is Monitoring and you enter into a consent agreement which puts you on the hook to comply.
A license that is Suspended (no stay/without stay) means what it says....your license is Suspended and you can't work and you can reapply to get it reinstated in 1, 2, or 3 years at the BONS discretion. But, you aren't under a consent order and aren't in monitoring. This is how you walk away from nursing if you choose. If you surrender your license, you will go on the OIG list and you can forget about entering any school remotely related to Healthcare for a minimum of 5 years and possibly 7 years with the OIG list.
Apparently I can't gl into dental hygiene if I surrender my license. I had SUD,I no longer have any desire for drugs or impulse to diverting for the last year of nursing.
My meeting is Jan 30th. so I choose how long I'm in monitoring not then if I go in voluntarily?
Im surprised your lawyer didn't ask you to go through monitoring to keep your license, especially since you admitted guilt. I just went through this process. I got a complaint, I got a lawyer right away. the day of my interview with my investigator, right after I hung up with her, my lawyer told me to enter the health profession recovery program. I did, I went through all of this for two months. I used my lawyer for everything, for which evaluator to use. I also used my lawyer on what to say during all my processes, like what to say entering the health profession recovery program, what to say during my evaluation interview. You want to be careful what you say because all this will be records against you.
The evaluator had to talk to the investigator regarding my case, so they will know what you have said at work, got all my background checks, records and my HPRP drug tests results (by this time I had 5 negative tests) through the health profession recovery program. Once you enter the health profession recovery program, they pretty much know every record that is out there of you.
The evaluator didn't give me a diagnosis, so I was ineligible for monitoring so they closed my case. My case is not necessary closed with BON, however, my lawyer said the worst thing the BON can do is place you in the health profession recovery program. At first my lawyer was extremely against entering the program, I was asking him to enter it after I read so many cases on this board. He agreed after my interview with the investigator.
you won't be able to escape evaluation from this program, even if you didn't do anything and are ineligible you still have to go through the program, unless you don't want your license.
hang in there, one step at a time. and best of luck.
Im surprised your lawyer didn't ask you to go through monitoring to keep your license, especially since you admitted guilt. I just went through this my lawyer said the worst thing the BON can do is place you in the health profession recovery program. At first my lawyer was extremely against entering the program
I don't understand either, again im not trying to avoid it, simply spend shortest amount of time in it.. I've emailed my lawyer twice now since dec28th. and have not had a reply as of yet. She did mention helping choose an evaluator and what to expect, but could not advise she said. Just to keep answers as short as possible and only answer what is asked. Again when they asked me if I diverted I assumed answering yes was the best choice as they'd find out eventually and then id be a liar,and lawyer mentioned there'd be likely no chance to save license via that route
BTW is any of the program covered by any insurance?
I don't understand either, again im not trying to avoid it, simply spend shortest amount of time in it.. I've emailed my lawyer twice now since dec28th. and have not had a reply as of yet. She did mention helping choose an evaluator and what to expect, but could not advise she said. Just to keep answers as short as possible and only answer what is asked. Again when they asked me if I diverted I assumed answering yes was the best choice as they'd find out eventually and then id be a liar,and lawyer mentioned there'd be likely no chance to save license via that route
BTW is any of the program covered by any insurance?
The evaluation and testing are not covered by insurance or really we aren't allowed to use insurance because it's not treatment, it's monitorin. The pseudo therapist you'll be forced to see may accept insurance. It's expensive. It's a money grab.
I don't understand either, again im not trying to avoid it, simply spend shortest amount of time in it.. I've emailed my lawyer twice now since dec28th. and have not had a reply as of yet. She did mention helping choose an evaluator and what to expect, but could not advise she said. Just to keep answers as short as possible and only answer what is asked. Again when they asked me if I diverted I assumed answering yes was the best choice as they'd find out eventually and then id be a liar,and lawyer mentioned there'd be likely no chance to save license via that route
BTW is any of the program covered by any insurance?
There isn't any choice for the time spent in the program. It's either 3 years or 5 years. I didn't go through the program so I couldn't tell you how long it is. There are people that say 3 years and others say 5 years. Just expect the worst, I suppose. And no, this is all out of your pocket. All my drug tests, my evaluations were cash money out of my pocket. I'm not sure if anything is covered once you're in the program. But I paid almost 500 just to get evaluated and the drug tests.
There isn't any choice for the time spent in the program. It's either 3 years or 5 years. I didn't go through the program so I couldn't tell you how long it is. There are people that say 3 years and others say 5
So spoke with my lawyer, ans she isn't against me starting hprp prior to my complaicne meeting... so the *** more wasted time.
I guess a obvious question to go on vacation prior to starting this *** show? Do they penalize you for alcohol? And how long does it stay in or systems for via various testing?
So spoke with my lawyer, ans she isn't against me starting hprp prior to my complaicne meeting... so the *** more wasted time.
I guess a obvious question to go on vacation prior to starting this *** show? Do they penalize you for alcohol? And how long does it stay in or systems for via various testing?
They don't let you drink any alcohol while you're in monitoring. I think the length of the monitoring agreement would be the same whether you drink or not. I'd go on vacation, drink and enjoy yourself assuming you're not an alcoholic. Google peth test. You could probably go on vacation now ,wait a bit to do the HPRP evaluation and have a negative peth test. If you had any hope of avoiding a monitoring agreement I'd suggest you skip alcohol but I don't think you can avoid a monitoring agreement. Just FYI, you can ask for a 2nd evaluation after you get the length of your monitoring agreement. This can reduce the time by a year or more. You'd need to ask your lawyer who to pick for the 2nd evaluation
So spoke with my lawyer, ans she isn't against me starting hprp prior to my complaicne meeting... so the *** more wasted time.
I guess a obvious question to go on vacation prior to starting this *** show? Do they penalize you for alcohol? And how long does it stay in or systems for via various testing?
What did I tell you within 24 hours of you first posting? I told you....ENTER HPRP and don't listen to anyone else regarding entering HPRP. Listen to your lawyer about everything else and do what you are told, but to enter HPRP. Your story has been repeated over 100 times on this board over the past 10 years. The nurse "waits" until their lawyer finally tells them to enter the monitoring program and time goes by and now the nurse regrets they didn't start earlier.
You said you admitted to work you diverted. I told you right then it's 100 percent AUTOMATIC that you will/would be required to enter HPRP in order to keep your license and you lawyer CAN NOT and will not be able to get you out of it. What has happened? Your lawyer now realizes that because someone from the BON has likely told your lawyer you admitted it at work and that the BON will not budge on HPRP, so now the lawyer tells you "it's OK to enter." This BS happens All of the time and the nurse waists valuable time.
Go on vacation now. You haven't started monitoring so you can drink alcohol. Don't for a minute even think about alcohol once you start the program. It doesn't matter if your eval were to somehow, someway say that you don't have an SUD. Even if they said you don't have an SUD, the very fact that you admitted at work that you were diverting means the BON will give you at least some time in monitoring because of your statements. The BON doesn't require a nurse to have an SUD to be forced into monitoring. It helps their case, but it's not an absolute if....if a nurse has openly stated they diverted.
Want some monetary advice and recovery advice? Get rid of the lawyer and don't do a 2nd chemical eval out of pocket on your own. Why? You are going to get a minimum of 3 years in monitoring Regardless of whether you have a lawyer and Regardless of what your chemical SUD eval says. You are throwing away a good 10 grand for the lawyer and another 2 grand for the 2nd SUD eval totally 12 grand and you are going to get the exact same result anyway. 3 years minimum. Save the 12 thousand.
Again, if no evidence against you, fight it and lawyer up, but when you admit it, it's a done deal and slam dunk and thats all they need. A lawyer is a waist of time (in your situation) and it will only make your discussions with the BON over the next 3 years more lengthy and time consuming and expensive because you are going through a lawyer. Drop the lawyer and you can have any questions for the BON answered that you will have over the next 3 years within a 2 or 3 day response and not 200 to 300 bucks and 1 month later for a response because of the lawyer. Once you have the lawyer, all discussions with you and the BON go through the lawyer and the BON will not talk to you. You are going to be shocked at how many questions you have over the next 3 or 5 years on trivial things like work, duty location, and litte subtle things that aren't totally clear in your consent agreement. With a lawyer, expect 3 weeks to 1 month to have 1 question you have for the BON answered to get back to your attorney then back to you, plus the 300 bucks you now have to pay for the lawyer. With no lawyer, your question gets answered in 2 to 3 days directly by the BON because they can legally talk to you
Touching on the above. Let's say you have a question on your consent order. For example, your question is whether you can work at a certain place and that your consent says you have to get permission from the BON to work at a certain place when you begin working as an RN again. You have the job and the place wants to hire you. You now have to tell your lawyer who then has to contact the BON in writing then the BON has to approve you working at that place, and then they have to respond to your lawyer then your lawyer contact you. All of this can take 2 or 3 weeks up to 2 months. Will the new job hold your slot for 2 months? See my point? These things actually do happen all of the time.
Without the lawyer you get that work approval from the BON within 1 week because you and the BON can directly communicate and it's free. Your new job has a quick response that it's OK for you to work there. Also you didn't just pay 300 bucks for one question of which the lawyer will bill you for and what is the lawyer doing for you at this point other than slowing down communication and taking your money?
What did I tell you within 24 hours of you first posting? I told you....ENTER HPRP and don't listen to anyone else regarding entering HPRP. Listen to your lawyer about everything else and do what you are told, but to enter HPRP. Your story has been repeated over 100 times on this board over the past 10 years. The nurse "waits" until their lawyer finally tells them to enter the monitoring program and time goes by and now the nurse regrets they didn't start earlier.
You said you admitted to work you diverted. I told you right then it's 100 percent AUTOMATIC that you will/would be required to enter HPRP in order to keep your license and you lawyer CAN NOT and will not be able to get you out of it. What has happened? Your lawyer now realizes that because someone from the BON has likely told your lawyer you admitted it at work and that the BON will not budge on HPRP, so now the lawyer tells you "it's OK to enter." This BS happens All of the time and the nurse waists valuable time.
Go on vacation now. You haven't started monitoring so you can drink alcohol. Don't for a minute even think about alcohol once you start the program. It doesn't matter if your eval were to somehow, someway say that you don't have an SUD. Even if they said you don't have an SUD, the very fact that you admitted at work that you were diverting means the BON will give you at least some time in monitoring because of your statements. The BON doesn't require a nurse to have an SUD to be forced into monitoring. It helps their case, but it's not an absolute if....if a nurse has openly stated they diverted.
Want some monetary advice and recovery advice? Get rid of the lawyer and don't do a 2nd chemical eval out of pocket on your own. Why? You are going to get a minimum of 3 years in monitoring Regardless of whether you have a lawyer and Regardless of what your chemical SUD eval says. You are throwing away a good 10 grand for the lawyer and another 2 grand for the 2nd SUD eval totally 12 grand and you are going to get the exact same result anyway. 3 years minimum. Save the 12 thousand.
Again, if no evidence against you, fight it and lawyer up, but when you admit it, it's a done deal and slam dunk and thats all they need. A lawyer is a waist of time (in your situation) and it will only make your discussions with the BON over the next 3 years more lengthy and time consuming and expensive because you are going through a lawyer. Drop the lawyer and you can have any questions for the BON answered that you will have over the next 3 years within a 2 or 3 day response and not 200 to 300 bucks and 1 month later for a response because of the lawyer. Once you have the lawyer, all discussions with you and the BON go through the lawyer and the BON will not talk to you. You are going to be shocked at how many questions you have over the next 3 or 5 years on trivial things like work, duty location, and litte subtle things that aren't totally clear in your consent agreement. With a lawyer, expect 3 weeks to 1 month to have 1 question you have for the BON answered to get back to your attorney then back to you, plus the 300 bucks you now have to pay for the lawyer. With no lawyer, your question gets answered in 2 to 3 days directly by the BON because they can legally talk to you
Evaluations in Michigan are about 400 to 500 dollars, not 2k. Who does the evaluation is really important. With diversion I can't see getting less than 3 years but if they say 5 years I'd get the second evaluation. The money the OP will spend on tests etc plus the disruption to life is a lot more.
So spoke with my lawyer, ans she isn't against me starting hprp prior to my complaicne meeting... so the *** more wasted time.
I guess a obvious question to go on vacation prior to starting this *** show? Do they penalize you for alcohol? And how long does it stay in or systems for via various testing?
I mean, your compliance meeting is coming up at the end of this month. thats not a ton of time wasted before joining HPRP. I would say, enjoy this month until your meeting. and let them know you are joining hprp at the meeting. even if its voluntarily entering hprp, BON will make you get evaluated through hprp. they heavily rely on hprp for decisions. like I said, it won't be a huge difference for you to enter hprp.
whether you do it now voluntarily or wait for January 30th for BON to make you enter its not really that much time wasted. I would keep the lawyer until this meeting, once you enter hprp, lawyers are kinda pointless. they have no power with hprp. hprp will own you for 3-5 years.
as far as drinking they will not penalize you for anything prior to entering hprp. however, if you test positive for a drugs and maybe drinking too (you never know what they test for), they will make you not work, until you get evaluated to be safe to work. I had to sign an agreement to let me work, the moment I tested positive for anything they would've contacted my manager and told them I had a positive test and that im in hprp. it such makes things more complicated, I suppose.
it depends on what they test, hair and nails show up to a year (I've heard), urine tests are a week or so. I only had to do urine drug tests. And I didn't have anything in my system when I tested, but I also don't drink at all. I would enjoy this month. take some time off, go to the beach, drink a few drinks and prepare yourself for a hard year, but doable. also just don't drink a week before you enter hprp, its a good sign to have a negative test .
What did I tell you within 24 hours of you first posting? I told you....ENTER HPRP and don't listen to anyone else regarding entering HPRP. Listen to your lawyer about everything else and do what you are told, but to enter HPRP. Your story has been repeated over 100 times on this board over the past 10 years. The nurse "waits" until their lawyer finally tells them to enter the monitoring program and time goes by and now the nurse regrets they didn't start earlier.
You said you admitted to work you diverted. I told you right then it's 100 percent AUTOMATIC that you will/would be required to enter HPRP in order to keep your license and you lawyer CAN NOT and will not be able to get you out of it. What has happened? Your lawyer now realizes that because someone from the BON has likely told your lawyer you admitted it at work and that the BON will not budge on HPRP, so now the lawyer tells you "it's OK to enter." This BS happens All of the time and the nurse waists valuable time.
Go on vacation now. You haven't started monitoring so you can drink alcohol. Don't for a minute even think about alcohol once you start the program. It doesn't matter if your eval were to somehow, someway say that y
I've already said here a few times, I understand ill get the program. What im pissed about is a year ago my lawyer told me to wait and I was dumb and listened now I call and talk to her about what I've read here and shes all yes call to start HPRP... so pissed
So what should I be asking at my hprp meeting, and yes I still plan on going on vacation prio to starting this ***. \
I admitted to it ad my investigation meeting, cuz my lawyer essentially stated they'll find out eventually,and once you lie you'll loose any credibility and next to no chance at keeping license..
NurseJackie69 said:
Touching on the above. Let's say you have a question on your consent order. For example, your question is whether you can work at a certain place and that your consent says you have to get permission from the BON to work at a certain place when you begin working as an RN again. You have the job and the place wants to hire you. You now have to tell your lawyer who then
so after entering hprp don't continue to use lawyer essentially.
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With Stay means your license is "kind of" suspended. It means you have to meet certain requirement for the first year which is Monitoring and you enter into a consent agreement which puts you on the hook to comply.
A license that is Suspended (no stay/without stay) means what it says....your license is Suspended and you can't work and you can reapply to get it reinstated in 1, 2, or 3 years at the BONS discretion. But, you aren't under a consent order and aren't in monitoring. This is how you walk away from nursing if you choose. If you surrender your license, you will go on the OIG list and you can forget about entering any school remotely related to Healthcare for a minimum of 5 years and possibly 7 years with the OIG list.