Caught diverting,admitted to it, have a lawyer. "Complaiance meeting " is Jan 30th. Recruiters won't assit with job placement. Hospitals won't hire, wehter I explain to them or not. Will any one hire as long as it's A "grey undetermined " area.
Got a decent job offer then rejected so psychologically depressed..
Aside from me admitting guilt to personal use narcotic diversio , the key "complaints listed" are undocumented waste and giving a pain med to early, and the having a narcotic in my pocket which I had to hand off to another nurse due to changing of pt assignment.
I still have no idea what she did with it, as we should of wasted it....
Neither I nor the nurse who wasted pressed thr "confirm waste " button which honestly why the hell is it there. Nor did pharmacy or charge or manager ever bring the issue up...Until after termination via the submitted info to BON.
Been reading stories and they are all so depressing, it's like why bother ,go do something else.
HPRP program may be required which costs..get this 20k a year for 1-3 years. Sooo. 20 ***ing thousand, I could go to a luxurie inpatient rehab for that amount.
I no longer have any desire for drugs and actually avoided giving them at my last job. I found my root cause analysis.
If you are not guilty and don't have an SUD always get you own eval in addition to the one the BON requires/approves.
Always get a 2nd eval (your choice at a respected place like Hazeldon or Parkdale) doesn't have to be Board Approves for your own 2nd eval/2nd opinion, if you are not guilty and don't have an SUD. It will be expensive, but you get your lawyer to push your case to a formal hearing by an administrative judge (a court of law) which is beyond the BON. For the few nurses that do win against the Board, this is how its done.
If you have anything close to approaching an SUD or there's decent evidence against you at work, then you are waiting your time with a 2nd eval and I think you are waisting your time with an attorney as well. Go straight to the monitoring program yo begin your sentence so you can get it over with.
When a lawyer is involved and a judge is involved, the BON has power removed from it (if you can get the case to a judge and beyond the BON) and when you have a 2nd eval from one of the most respected places in the country saying you don't have a problem a Judge will laugh at a BON representative who says, that rval wasn't approved by the BON" LOL.
It's like a person on trial for murder, and the prosecutor tells the defense attorney that "he didn't approve that evidence by the neighbor saying the guy accused of murder wasn't there." A judge would laugh and say," I don't care what you "approve or don't approve." Once it reaches the level of a judge, all bets are off and the BON knows it and they get worried.
The BON HPRP and an administrative judge are not the same and every state is exactly the same regarding who holds more power. The judge holds more power and an attorney can help get the case Beyond the BON in ANY state when the evidence is weak and most important when the nurse has a true comprehensive eval from a respected place saying No SUD. Why don't we here about this more? Because the evidence against nurses is too great or they don't get a 2nd eval showing no SUD, so the lawyer doesn't push it higher because they know they lose. So a monitoring agreement is done.
Comprehensive evals (true evals) taking toenails goes back 1 year and if evidence against the nurse is week and the eval shows No SUD which means no drugs found in nails for up to one year a lawyer WILL take that case/get it pushed up to a judge and the nurse can win. Why doesn't this happen more often? Because 90 plus percent of nurses that find themselves in trouble are more than likely guilty and they won't pass that comprehensive all inclusive extensive eval that actually is taking toenails and looking back one year.
I live in a state very similar to michigan. I did nothing wrong. I thought the evaluation would show I didn't need a monitoring agreement. I didn't contact a lawyer until I got a call saying I was offered a month agreement. I called several lawyers who specialize in these issues and they all said I could absolutely fight this but wouldn't win. The number of people doing a monitoring agreement or who have done a monitoring agreement for no reason is ridiculous.
Not one of the lawyers I consulted charged me a penny.
When my monitoring agreement is over, it will never be public. I get to live a normal life. For that, I'm grateful.
I am cautious about who may be reading here so I don't post personal details.
I live in a state very similar to michigan. I did nothing wrong. I thought the evaluation would show I didn't need a monitoring agreement. I didn't contact a lawyer until I got a call saying I was offered a month agreement. I called several lawyers who specialize in these issues and they all said I could absolutely fight this but wouldn't win. The number of people doing a monitoring agreement or who have done a monitoring agreement for no reason is ridiculous.
Not one of the lawyers I consulted charged me a penny.
When my monitoring agreement is over, it will never be public. I get to live a normal life. For that, I'm grateful.
I am cautious about who may be reading here so I don't post personal details.
That's why this board is important. Prevention for it happening to other people. It's why the following always holds true.
1. If you are guilty and you know deep down if you are guilty.... and the evidence is there at work, GET into monitoring stat and start knocking out your time and get a criminal defense attorney on retainer in case you are charged. Starting monitoring starts your time so it ends earlier and it helps in case you are criminally charged.
2. If you are not guilty, Immediately get a lawyer and get your own eval at a respected place where at minimum hair testing is done and even offer up nail testing. Parkdale and Hazeldon will do nail testing and a battery of written tests. Take this to your lawyer and obviously, do the Board approved eval that will be required.
3. Nurses and the BON are shocked at what a lawyer can do with a solid eval in their hands and most important, no major evidence at work. Additionally, I've heard of nurses taking all inclusive evals saying no SUDthey got on their own at a respected place to the Board approved eval place before the Board approved eval place had begun their eval. Imagine the Board approved evaluator with the report from a major power like Hazeldon or Parkdale in her or his hands. Do you think they are going to think twice about cheating? ALL OF THEM know Hazeldon and Parkdale. That's who wrote their textbooks and all BONs know them as well.
Most nurses who get in trouble don't know the above and they think they will be OK because they didn't do anything wrong, so they rely on the Board approved eval and assume all will be well, only for them to find themselves in monitoring agreement. That's why this forum is important.
Healer555 said:
I live in a state very similar to michigan. I did nothing wrong. I thought the evaluation would show I didn't need a monitoring agreement. I didn't contact a lawyer until I got a call saying I was offered a month agreement. I called several lawyers who specialize in these issues and they all said I could absolutely fight this but wouldn't win. The number of people doing a monitoring agreement or who have done a monitoring agreement for no reason is ridiculous.
Not one of the lawyers I consulted charged me a penny.
When my monitoring agreement is over, it will never be public. I get to live a normal life. For that, I'm grateful.
I am cautious about who may be reading here so I don't post personal details.
That's why this board is important. Prevention for it happening to other people. It's why the following always holds true.
1. If you are guilty and you know deep down if you are guilty.... and the evidence is there at work, GET into monitoring stat and start knocking out your time and get a criminal defense attorney on retainer in case you are charged. Starting monitoring starts your time so it ends earlier and it helps in case you are criminally charged.
2. If you are not guilty, Immediately get a lawyer and get your own eval at a respected place where at minimum hair testing is done and even offer up nail testing. Parkdale and Hazeldon will do nail testing and a battery of written tests. Take this to your lawyer and obviously, do the Board approved eval that will be required.
3. Nurses and the BON are shocked at what a lawyer can do with a solid eval in their hands and most important, no major evidence at work. Additionally, I've heard of nurses taking all inclusive evals saying no SUDthey got on their own at a respected place to the Board approved eval place before the Board approved eval place had begun their eval. Imagine the Board approved evaluator with the report from a major power like Hazeldon or Parkdale in her or his hands. Do you think they are going to think twice about cheating? ALL OF THEM know Hazeldon and Parkdale. That's who wrote their textbooks and all BONs know them as well.
Most nurses who get in trouble don't know the above and they think they will be OK because they didn't do anything wrong, so they rely on the Board approved eval and assume all will be well, only for them to find themselves in monitoring agreement. That's why this forum is important.
We have corrupt BONs that are in it for the money and it's important for nurses who have done nothing wrong to be able to fight back legally and correctly. There are ways to do it, but it has to be proactive, not reactive.
Most nurses don't know they can file suit against the BON or an individual on the BON (doesn't have to be all of them). A nurse can NOT file suit while under consent order and can't file suit after the consent order is completed for anything related to what the consent order was about.
I'm not telling nurses to file suit. I ain't no lawyer, but I know legally, you can if you are not under consent order and an infraction has been committed against you. That's common knowledge and our rights as citizens.
listen, the damage is done for the OP. the person now has to go to the meeting and wait for the BON to mandate hprp or enter hprp once the meeting is done. Everything you are saying is overwhelming and induces anxiety, nursejackie69. Let OP enjoy this month and he/she can take it from there. These name dropping rehabs you are naming shouldn't be in the OPs agenda. OP now needs to follow hprp and go from there. period. conversation is over. Don't add more anxiety with your long long posts. Every case is different.
listen, the damage is done for the OP. the person now has to go to the meeting and wait for the BON to mandate hprp or enter hprp once the meeting is done. Everything you are saying is overwhelming and induces anxiety, nursejackie69. Let OP enjoy this month and he/she can take it from there. These name dropping rehabs you are naming shouldn't be in the OPs agenda. OP now needs to follow hprp and go from there. period. conversation is over. Don't add more anxiety with your long long posts. Every case is different.
I'm not about "inducing anxiety" for anyone. I am about truth and how to help the hundreds of nurses thst read this forum that find themselves in this situation so it helps them and in the long run LOWERS anxiety because they know what to do and expect. Never withhold truth because you are worried about "anxiety." In the long run withholding truth causes far More anxiety.
Like I wrote, for anyone reading if you are guilty or caught and evidence is high get into monitoring stat. For anyone who is being hosed and didn't do anything wrong get an attorney.
Nurselee22 if my posts are too long, then don't read them and move on. Nobody is forced to read anything. My posts are not simply for 1 person they are directed at the 100 nurses thst will find themselves in the same situation and read this forum looking for answers 10 daya 100 days, or 5 years from now. We can't have forum Karen's calling out posters for their posts being too long or forum Karen's telling people not to post. Karen's have a choice to simply not read a certain post and move on. You will notice nirselee22 called out the post for being too long and "inducing anxiety." She didn't attack the substance of my post because the substance is spot on and true. The truth sets us free.
I'm not about "inducing anxiety" for anyone. I am about truth and how to help the hundreds of nurses thst read this forum that find themselves in this situation so it helps them and in the long run LOWERS anxiety because they know what to do and expect. Never withhold truth because you are worried about "anxiety." In the long run withholding truth causes far More anxiety.
Like I wrote, for anyone reading if you are guilty or caught and evidence is high get into monitoring stat. For anyone who is being hosed and didn't do anything wrong get an attorney.
Nurselee22 if my posts are too long, then don't read them and move on. Nobody is forced to read anything. My posts are not simply for 1 person they are directed at the 100 nurses thst will find themselves in the same situation and read this forum looking for answers 10 daya 100 days, or 5 years from now. We can't have forum Karen's calling out posters for their posts being too long or forum Karen's telling people not to post. Karen's have a choice to simply not read a certain post and move on. You will notice nirselee22 called out the post for being too long and "inducing anxiety." She didn't attack the substance of my post because the substance is spot on and true. The truth sets us free.
I'll call you out for posting incorrect information which is dangerous.
Since this nightmare began I've met doctors, nurses, and other providers in the same boat as me who don't have a SUD but do a monitoring agreement because fighting the various boards is an exercise in futility.
I don't have an interest in a continued debate with you so I'll just leave this post here for others to read.
What your lawyer did regarding telling you to admit guilt was likely spot on. The lawyer was wrong for telling you to hold off on monitoring (that was for him or her to make money off of you), but telling you to admit guilt could be correct in certain circumstances and those circumstances are........if you admitted guilt already at work and if the pixis shows you are way out there regarding pulls compared
Doesn't matter if it's zoom, telepathy, car or horse, going to a more prestigious rehab place for an SUD as a second opinion is the smarter choice and two of those are Parkdale and Hazeldon and those are 2500 to 3000 dollars, 2 days in length and hold great weight because these 2 basically write 90 percent of the recovery and SUD literature for medical professionals across the country.
They don't count as far as I've read hprp chooses everything for you... I domt need. Program though I stopped on my own. And have worked indunno 6 months with no drug urges or thoughts since..
My lawyer had ALl my money up front, she had literally no incentive to drag this *** out... save stupidity?
I cant believe your lawyer told you to admit anything, if they didn't have hard core evidence. of topic but any good lawyer would tell you to never admit guilt, I mean look at luigi mangione, he's on so many videos and still pleaded not guilty. lawyers are there to challenge them not to find you guilty (or have you admit at anything), unless you entering a plea deal.
anyway, its pointless to have a lawyer once you enter hprp. they don't have a saying on anything once you're in the program. you can still keep the lawyer, just in case, they'll only charge you if you use them.
when you call hprp, let them know BON is doing an investigation and I wanted to call and go through the process to save my license. thats all. you don't have to go in a lot of details. then they will ask you ton of questions regarding whether you diverted or not, if you tell them yes, they will mark you as a high risk meaning you have to test 4-5 times a week until you get an evaluation. Say exactly what you have admitted so far, and nothing more. just say you don't remember, they cant punish you if you don't remember. hprp's job is to evaluate if you need the program or not. BON's job is to take actions against your license.
hprp will do a background check, your MAPS, your evaluator will contact three of your support people and so on. so basically you will be scrutinized some more.
its a long and scary process. I hated my life going through this, but I only had to go through this for 2 months.
when I called hprp, I told them "im not sure why im calling, my lawyer told me to call you. im in a pickle with BON and I want to save my license, I didn't divert but I need this evaluation for the BON and save my license."
What do they ask support people? I already admitted to diversion aside from that they just have omnicell pull record which I was waaay above average ,thus I knew no way I'd lie and get off Scott free. I was at 650 narcotic pulls the next highest nurse in the whole hospital was 350. Similar hours worked etc.
Nurselee22 said:
I cant believe your lawyer told you to admit anything, if they didn't have hard core evidence. of topic but any good lawyer would tell you to never admit guilt, I mean look at luigi mangione, he's on so many videos and still pleaded not guilty. lawyers are there to challenge them not to find you guilty (or have you admit at anything), unless you entering a plea deal.
anyway, its pointless to have a lawyer once you enter hprp. they don't have a saying on anything once you're in the program. you can still keep the lawyer, just in case, they'll only charge you if you use them.
when you call hprp, let them know BON is doing an investigation and I wanted to call and go through the process to save my license. thats all. you don't have to go in a lot of details. then they will ask you ton of questions regarding whether you diverted or not, if you tell them yes, they will mark you as a high risk meaning you have to test 4-5 times a week until you get an evaluation. Say exactly what you have admitted so far, and nothing more. just say you don't remember, they cant punish you if you don't remember. hprp's job is to evaluate if you need the program or not. BON's job is to take actions against your license.
hprp will do a background check, your MAPS, your evaluator will contact three of your support people and so on. so basically you will be scrutinized some more.
its a long and scary process. I hated my life going through this, but I only had to go through this for 2 months.
when I called hprp, I told them "im not sure why im calling, my lawyer told me to call you. im in a pickle with BON and I want to save my license, I didn't divert but I need this evaluation for the BON and save my license."
What do they ask support people? I already admitted to diversion aside from that they just have omnicell pull record which I was waaay above average ,thus I knew no way I'd lie and get off Scott free. I was at 650 narcotic pulls the next highest nurse in the whole hospital was 350. Similar hours worked etc.
I'm not about "inducing anxiety" for anyone. I am about truth and how to help the hundreds of nurses thst read this forum that find themselves in this situation so it helps them and in the long run LOWERS anxiety because they know what to do and expect. Never withhold truth because you are worried about "anxiety." In the long run withholding truth causes far More anxiety.
Like I wrote, for anyone reading if you are guilty or caught and evidence is high get into monitoring stat. For anyone who is being hosed and didn't do anything wrong get an attorney.
Nurselee22 if my posts are too long, then don't read them and move on. Nobody is forced to read anything. My posts are not simply for 1 person they are directed at the 100 nurses thst will find themselves in the same situation and read this forum looking for answers 10 daya 100 days, or 5 years from now. We can't have forum Karen's calling out posters for their posts being too long or forum Karen's telling people not to post. Karen's have a choice to simply not read a certain post and move on. You will notice nirselee22 called out the post for being too long and "inducing anxiety." She didn't attack the substance of my post because the substance is spot on and true. The truth sets us free.
im not sure who made you the savior of us all... but continue.
im not sure who made you the savior of us all... but continue.
Don't know anything about "savior" and didn't know "us" implied you speak for everyone on the forum. I didn't the entire forum elected you to be able to use the ole "us" word, LOL. Actually, what you did is called Fallacy and that fallacy is called "playing to the audience."
Once again directly back on message for all readers in the situation as this poster. If you are guilty and know the evidence is there and thst you have a problem, get into monitoring asap and don't wait because if you do, you might regret the time lost as evidenced by 100s of nurses thst have posted on this board since 2015.
If you know you did nothing wrong and don't have a problem and evidence at work is weak at best against you, lawyer up and fight it and don't enter into monitoring or do anything until your lawyer says so.
Don't know anything about "savior" and didn't know "us" implied you speak for everyone on the forum. I didn't the entire forum elected you to be able to use the ole "us" word, LOL. Actually, what you did is called Fallacy and that fallacy is called "playing to the audience."
Once again directly back on message for all readers in the situation as this poster. If you are guilty and know the evidence is there and thst you have a problem, get into monitoring asap and don't wait because if you do, you might regret the time lost as evidenced by 100s of nurses thst have posted on this board since 2015.
If you know you did nothing wrong and don't have a problem and evidence at work is weak at best against you, lawyer up and fight it and don't enter into monitoring or do anything until your lawyer says so.
"My posts are not simply for 1 person they are directed at the 100 nurses thst will find themselves in the same situation and read this forum looking for answers 10 daya 100 days, or 5 years from now. "
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If you are not guilty and don't have an SUD always get you own eval in addition to the one the BON requires/approves.
Always get a 2nd eval (your choice at a respected place like Hazeldon or Parkdale) doesn't have to be Board Approves for your own 2nd eval/2nd opinion, if you are not guilty and don't have an SUD. It will be expensive, but you get your lawyer to push your case to a formal hearing by an administrative judge (a court of law) which is beyond the BON. For the few nurses that do win against the Board, this is how its done.
If you have anything close to approaching an SUD or there's decent evidence against you at work, then you are waiting your time with a 2nd eval and I think you are waisting your time with an attorney as well. Go straight to the monitoring program yo begin your sentence so you can get it over with.
When a lawyer is involved and a judge is involved, the BON has power removed from it (if you can get the case to a judge and beyond the BON) and when you have a 2nd eval from one of the most respected places in the country saying you don't have a problem a Judge will laugh at a BON representative who says, that rval wasn't approved by the BON" LOL.
It's like a person on trial for murder, and the prosecutor tells the defense attorney that "he didn't approve that evidence by the neighbor saying the guy accused of murder wasn't there." A judge would laugh and say," I don't care what you "approve or don't approve." Once it reaches the level of a judge, all bets are off and the BON knows it and they get worried.