Official NP "No Fly" list

[bsnanat2]

My health system has made it official that they will not accept students for clinical rotations from a list of schools that is almost exclusively made up of the "for profit" institutions. Online programs with no on campus component will be reviewed on a case by case basis for clinical placement but "clinical placement is not likely and these programs do not qualify for Health System tuition reimbursement." I spoke with someone in the education department and she said while they encourage employees to return for advanced practice degrees, they are finding that too many are ill prepared even for entry level NP work. No GRE, MAT or GPA requirement should be red flags as well as no requirement for recommendation letters or RN experience, per my education department. South University was specifically called out for not giving tests or exams for even their patho class! How do you teach patho without giving tests? I agree with and applaud my Health System's move. What are your thoughts?

[Palliative Care, DNP]

I am seeing this in my area as well. I completed one of my rotations through the health department. She literally had a list on the wall off all the schools that they would not take students from.

[scubadude]

While it ultimately up to the student to make their educational decisions. How about specific names of schools that are on these lists for those considering these sub-par schools. Many have no idea that the for-profits have such a bad reputation.

[smileyfacefee]

Omg this is worrisome! I think alot will depend on the individual and the preceptors. I think this goes for regular nursing school as well. Schools are rushing nursing students of all types through and so preceptors and trainees at work are heavily relied upon. Unfortunately it will be in the hands of the experienced to teach newcomers it seems

[MallysMama]

This individual had been a nurse (RN) for a long while. This was a problem with the fact the individual's NP program really did nothing to prepare them to begin clinical rotations. Both schools that we use now have required sign-offs on H&P demos prior to starting clinical experiences.

This is a different topic, but in my experience the length of a student's RN experience is a poor predictor of their success as a student NP.

This is encouraging to read! I'm currently in a quarter (we do quarters, not semesters) with 80 hours of clinical just focused on assessing, presenting in "rounds" (to our instructor and couple other students), and writing H&Ps. We are all feeling so antsy to get out with a preceptor... So it's nice to hear that this type of clinical experience is seen as actually being beneficial!

[HouTx, BSN, MSN, EdD]

My organization is following the same path. We no longer host ANY "one off" clinical practicum experiences due to associated costs and liability issue. Academic programs must have a contract with us in order for their students to gain access to one of our facilities. At this point, we are only dealing with traditional (not for profit) programs. This may change in the future, but I very much doubt it.

I continue to be amazed at the number of requests we receive from students of the "choose your own adventure" programs that promised them... you can do clinicals in an area that is convenient for you. The obstacles and difficulty they are encountering were literally "not in the brochure".

[Jory, MSN, APRN, CNM]

I have to disagree with her on the "No GRE or MAT". She is absolutely wrong and I would refer her to current research.

Many top colleges have eliminated GRE's from SOME of the majors. This is because the GRE nor the MAT has shown to be a predictor of college success and they go by GPA instead.

However, it is still a predictor and competency must be demonstrated in CRNA programs, etc.

I have to agree that for-profit schools are very different from "private". I can't disagree with them on that.

[synaptic]

Make the board exam for AANP and ANCC more difficult also