I am curious to know if you would be offended, if at church on Sunday your Pastor got up and said a prayer for Church Mice?
I mean he prayed that the mice be strengthened and given the ability to carry out their mousey duties and to eventually render the Church unusable, so that the Parisheners would finally have to pony up the dough to pay for a new Church.
ok I am kidding here is the original post but hey if you are just now reading this thread there have been many twists and turns and I no longer say a prayer over the deceased and yes largely due to many of the points made in this thread. Also NO i would not be offended if anyone of any belief Satanist, TO Catholic said prayers or whipered chants or whatever in my ear that said it was and is an interesting thread but please read about 5-10 of the current posts prior to posting
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I am curious to know if you would be offended, after death if someone were to say a prayer over you.
I would really like to hear from as many Agnostic or Atheist as possible.
I recently began saying a prayer over anyone that dies in my presence. Many times I do not know if the person had a religious preference or not. I am curious to know if people would be offended if they knew someone was going to pray over them when they die.
here is the prayer
Dear Lord not our will but yours. Into thine hands we commend the spirit of this peaceful child of God. Prepare a place for him/her Now in Your Heavenly Kingdom![/Quote]
Oh please. Some people have good vocabularies. Be nice.
Trust me, I am being nice - you don't want me to get started on my true opinions about the atheists and agnostics and whose rights have been trampled on.
Trust me, I am being nice - you don't want me to get started on my true opinions about the atheists and agnostics and whose rights have been trampled on.
Making assumptions about someone looking for hours to find the right word (when that person may have already known it) is more trampling on the rights of intelligent people than it has anything to do with trampling on the rights of atheists or agnostics.
Argue with the person's point, not the vocabulary or where they got it from.
I have had teachers ask me about the words my 15-year-old uses in his written work because they are not typical vocab for that age group (thinking that he didn't actually do the work -- thinking that either I did it for him or he copied it) and he doesn't say much in class. However, he knows and uses "big" or unusual words because we use them at home. He writes all his own stuff -- all I ever do is check his grammar.
Trust me, I am being nice - you don't want me to get started on my true opinions about the atheists and agnostics and whose rights have been trampled on.
I must weigh in here. I believe LPNGUY probably does have this word in his vocabulary. For proof check his home page. He seems to have a good vocabulary and very exact opinions. We must always allow others their opinions if we would have our own recieve the same courtesy.
I want to thank everyone for your views, opinions and support or opposition posted with respect and courtesy.
I agree with some and disagree with some but always value the opinions of others. I gauge my opinions by learning from the opinions of others and my own experiences.
I have seen that many while not offended would not like to be prayed for or over for various reasons, I have seen that many welcome a kind and caring gesture in the spirit in which it is offered and I have seen a few that vehemently object to prayer weather it is over them or in general.
I have taken all of these into account and will use these responses to guide my own decision regarding prayer for the deceased, their families and those of us that are left to live and grieve and carry on.
I think if a prayer makes you feel better in that situation, why not? You could just keep it to yourself-no one but you and God has to know about it!
I am curious to know if you would be offended, after death if someone were to say a prayer over you.
I would really like to hear from as many Agnostic or Atheist as possible.
I recently began saying a prayer over anyone that dies in my presence. Many times I do not know if the person had a religious preference or not. I am curious to know if people would be offended if they knew someone was going to pray over them when they die.
here is the prayer
Dear Lord not our will but yours. Into thine hands we commend the spirit of this peaceful child of God. Prepare a place for him/her Now in Your Heavenly Kingdom!
I think it's great that you asked, CCU NRS. Far better to ask and listen than to make assumptions and personal attacks like jwk did.
It's not a personal attack and it's not an assumption - I just find it interesting that people often pull big, uncommonly used words out of their hat when trying to make a point.
And I'll fully stand by my point that atheists and agnostics have trampled on the rights of religious people to freely practice their religion. That is not a personal attack - it's a statement of fact.
not sure if this should be posted elsewhere (or if it has been), but why does the pledge of allegiance include the words "one nation under God"??
is it just me, or does this imply that all americans must believe in God? feel free to pm me if you'd prefer...I dont know much about religion/God beyond the fact that I dont believe in it.
not sure if this should be posted elsewhere (or if it has been), but why does the pledge of allegiance include the words "one nation under God"??
is it just me, or does this imply that all americans must believe in God? feel free to pm me if you'd prefer...I dont know much about religion/God beyond the fact that I dont believe in it.
Thanks
Well, I am not entirely sure of the reason why it was added but I know WHEN it was added so that gives me an idea. It was added to the Pledge in the 40'2 around WWII. I think it was added because of the atrocities that were going on in Europe etc, to increase patriotism due to the war, and someone wanted to show that the U.S. was a nice "god fearing" country. I think that this addition was entirely unnecessary because you do NOT have to believe in God to think that war is bad, that killing people is evil, etc. As a matter of fact, it seems there is far more killing and war in the name of religion than in the absence of it.
As for jwk's opinion, he/she is perfectly entitled to it about grammar, vocabulary, or even the assumption that atheists and agnostics trample on the rights of the religious, but that right needs to be tempered with courtesy. I can speak with a good vocabulary or I can dumb it down a bit when talking to my kids etc. I prefer to think that LPNguy was complimenting us that we would understand him rather than him talking down to us. I Would like to know how you think that religious people's rights are trampled on though? People who are agnostic, atheist, or of alternate religions than Judeo-Christian can not freely express their views without being attacked. If we posted huge signs outside our houses that said judgemental things like I see on church billboards we would be tarred and feathered or worse. If we post a bumper sticker on our car that relates to our alternate beliefs we have to worry about our car being keyed, broken into, or otherwise vandalized by someone who disagrees; whereas people can drive around with those freaking fish or crosses with the little kid etc and no one says or does anything. If I sent my kid to school wearing a cross or church t-shirt no one would say a thing, but if I sent them wearing a pentacle they would be sent home to change immediately. If there have been some vocal, rude, or abrasive people who abuse the religious rights then maybe it is because they are so angry at being oppressed and suppressed that they think they have the right. I don't agree with that tactic but I can certainly understand the desire to let someone have it when they point blank offend me after they realize I am Wiccan and do not believe in god.
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Trust me, I am being nice - you don't want me to get started on my true opinions about the atheists and agnostics and whose rights have been trampled on.