October 2007 VB prediction

fruity · Aug 11, 2007

I am already done with packet3, waiting for packet4. Taking masters and applying for eb2 is easy to say but hard to do. It means money and time. I have to find someone to petition me under eb2, so if I will be calculating all those time, Master+file another petition. I'd think it would still be faster if I would stay in-line and wait for my queu.

By the way my PD is Dec 2005.

lawrence01 · Aug 11, 2007

I am already done with packet3, waiting for packet4. Taking masters and applying for eb2 is easy to say but hard to do. It means money and time. I have to find someone to petition me under eb2, so if I will be calculating all those time, Master+file another petition. I'd think it would still be faster if I would stay in-line and wait for my queu.
By the way my PD is Dec 2005.

I also think that you should just go ahead w/ everything. If I'm not mistaken you have already given your updated DS-230 forms that NVC has requested you to give. This would mean that you have higher chances that you will be one of the first in line to get the packet 4 once visa numbers are available again starting Oct. It is much too late to side-track now and yes, I also think that getting an employer/petitioner for a Masteral in Nursing will be relatively harder than with a BSN. Some one can correct me on this if I'm wrong. I say this because it is already much harder now to get an employer willing to petition for a BSN as it is, what more for Masteral in Nursing coming from a foreign country.

Just my opinion.

JunRN · Aug 11, 2007

The real jungle out there is different from what we know and think. Some employers are willing to hire Masteral Degree holders, create position for them, petition them using EB2 (which is most of the time, 'current'), and then let the nurse work as a regular nurse (skilled). The papers are different from the actual but who cares?

I know it is illegal and I do not subscribe to anything illegal. But the real jungle out there is not ideal, not by the book.

jonRNMD · Aug 11, 2007

The real jungle out there is different from what we know and think. Some employers are willing to hire Masteral Degree holders, create position for them, petition them using EB2 (which is most of the time, 'current'), and then let the nurse work as a regular nurse (skilled). The papers are different from the actual but who cares?
I know it is illegal and I do not subscribe to anything illegal. But the real jungle out there is not ideal, not by the book.

USCIS has a stricter adjudication (assesment/judgement) for EB-2 cases....if you go through other immigration forums, skilled professionals who have gone through EB-2 cases face higher denial cases compared to EB-3 cases....Employers and nurses who have gone through this route would definetely face fraud charges if proven the nurse worked as a regular staff nurse...

suzanne4, RN · Aug 11, 2007

At the least, we can expect June 2005 for Philippines comes the October Visa Bulletin. We can only hope. Let's wait for the VB to come out rather than relying on speculations and predictions. If I were in your boat, I would take masteral degrees and get more experience so that I can apply using EB2, which at most times, is "current". Eb3 is getting difficult to get nowadays.

To clear up a few things for you. The Master's degree from PI called the MAN does not qualify for the EB-2 category in the US at all. It is not equivalent to the MSN degree that we have in the US. And you would also need to be hired into a job that requires the Master's degree for you to get the EB-2. Staff nurse does not qualify for that. And MAN will not even get you a job teaching over here.

Please check your facts before reporting them as facts, they are not.

And we do not even use the word "Masteral" in the US for the degree, not even sure that is a word that is in our dictionary.

And not sure where you are getting any of your information from, seriously doubt the June 2005 for October at this time. There are way too many applicants for very few visas to start off. And if the person has a PD date from back then and are not in the US already then there was something seriously wrong with their petitions in the first place. And the issue that you do not seem to be paying any attention to is the fact that there is no Schedule A and therefore nurses are grouped in with all others that wish a green card to work in the US. Two years waiting from PI and bad agency or bad attorney.

Still suspect that PI will be under a retrogression come October, you may see other countries open up, but seriously doubt it for the PIC countries. And with the number that are now wishing to work in the US and less than 10,000 visas per year for those from your country, the wait is going to get longer and longer and longer for most. And many nursing homes and agencies are going to stop processing from there if they do not know when the nurse can be in the US and ready to begin work. Especially now more so with the costs of immigration rising significantly.

suzanne4, RN · Aug 11, 2007

The real jungle out there is different from what we know and think. Some employers are willing to hire Masteral Degree holders, create position for them, petition them using EB2 (which is most of the time, 'current'), and then let the nurse work as a regular nurse (skilled). The papers are different from the actual but who cares?
I know it is illegal and I do not subscribe to anything illegal. But the real jungle out there is not ideal, not by the book.

Sorry, but you have no idea of what you are speaking of. And this is not what is happening in the real world in the US, perhaps in your world of make-beleive, but not the real world.

If you do not like the wait and time that you will be waiting, please look at going to another country. You keep coming up with ideas that are illegal and stating that people do that, and it is not the case. Immigration is not as dumb as you think, they know exactly what is going on, and the government actually keeps checks on them. And if you see a nursing home petitioning someone with the EB-2, please start to laugh. Not going to happen, and again the Masteral degree as you call it does not exist in the US, and cannot be used for the EB-2 classification to start with. And have noticed that you are applying to nursing homes, since you have posted about meetings with the DON, there is not even any comparison to a hospital and no need for the Master' degree of any type there. Why were you unable to get hired by a hospital since you know everything about working in the US and how we do things here? Attitude would be my guess, as well as skill set.

I am sure that the nursing home was not first on your list. But you still need to wait for that coveted green card.

JunRN · Aug 11, 2007

I know that it is illegal. It is just that I am sharing what I know and what's happening out there. Not everything is by the book. I know EB2 requirements are not so easy to meet. I know that there are risks of denial. For some reason, they do it and I don't know why. It is also true that some applied for H1B.

I don't know if their stories are true but this is what I am hearing from friends and others who I just met.

Prediction is prediction. I may come true, it may not. Until the official bulletin comes out, no body is really sure.

suzanne4, RN · Aug 11, 2007

I also think that you should just go ahead w/ everything. If I'm not mistaken you have already given your updated DS-230 forms that NVC has requested you to give. This would mean that you have higher chances that you will be one of the first in line to get the packet 4 once visa numbers are available again starting Oct. It is much too late to side-track now and yes, I also think that getting an employer/petitioner for a Masteral in Nursing will be relatively harder than with a BSN. Some one can correct me on this if I'm wrong. I say this because it is already much harder now to get an employer willing to petition for a BSN as it is, what more for Masteral in Nursing coming from a foreign country.
Just my opinion.

The Master's degree from PI is not the same thing as the MSN in the US and cannot be used for the EB-2. You also would need to be hired specifically for a job that required the MSN to begin, the MAN is not the same, and you will find it even very difficult for a job like that to be offered when you have no experience in the US.

And Lawrence, you are 100% correct on this one.

azil · Aug 31, 2007

Hi Suzanne,Im just a newbie here.I want to ask also our case.We had our interview last July 2005,paid for all the fees including the fee for the courier (if the visa will be released) but there were some documents to be submitted but we are not able to comply because of something happened(accident) to me.We rcvd a letter from embassy,a list of documents to be submited and they gave 1 year to comply.To make the story short July 2007 is the deadline.On June 2007 we submitted all the documents including the new DS230,had an interview with the consul(again)on that same day and she asked us to submit a new passport and a new offer of employment from my employer.Submitted our passpots and new offer of employment last August 18,2007.Are we affected of retrogression?Is there a possibility that they will issue us visa soon?

Thank you in advance.

RNGrad2006 · Aug 31, 2007

It may come close to that date. If we can track down PD's then we can somehow get a clear idea of what it may come out. We are under the country limit and it somehow affect us to be slower also. Our only hope is schedule A which as of now is not available. The date our PD become current will come, we just have to wait...

Did you look at the article at the start of this thread. It states,

"1. During fiscal year 2007 (October 1, 2006 through July 2007) USCIS processed over 18,000 EB3 cases for persons born in India and of that number, 8,000 were processed during June 2007 and 7,000 were processed during July 2007. This represents five years worth of allocated visa numbers. The annual limit for India is 2,800 per year in the EB3 category".

If this is true it sure seems rather unfair especially for those of us in the other world category since we are not getting our fair share of visa numbers.

pampangakid · Sep 1, 2007

Hi Suzanne,Im just a newbie here.I want to ask also our case.We had our interview last July 2005,paid for all the fees including the fee for the courier (if the visa will be released) but there were some documents to be submitted but we are not able to comply because of something happened(accident) to me.We rcvd a letter from embassy,a list of documents to be submited and they gave 1 year to comply.To make the story short July 2007 is the deadline.On June 2007 we submitted all the documents including the new DS230,had an interview with the consul(again)on that same day and she asked us to submit a new passport and a new offer of employment from my employer.Submitted our passpots and new offer of employment last August 18,2007.Are we affected of retrogression?Is there a possibility that they will issue us visa soon?
Thank you in advance.

Hi Azil! Your case is same with my friend, 2006 September interview date and with PD January 2006, unfortunately she was not able to present a visascreen and she was given a 1 year deadline, she was able to submit it this August 2007 but she was advised that there are no visa available for her because her PD is 2006, the embassy said that they are processing 2002 PDs:uhoh3:

suzanne4, RN · Sep 1, 2007

Hi Suzanne,Im just a newbie here.I want to ask also our case.We had our interview last July 2005,paid for all the fees including the fee for the courier (if the visa will be released) but there were some documents to be submitted but we are not able to comply because of something happened(accident) to me.We rcvd a letter from embassy,a list of documents to be submited and they gave 1 year to comply.To make the story short July 2007 is the deadline.On June 2007 we submitted all the documents including the new DS230,had an interview with the consul(again)on that same day and she asked us to submit a new passport and a new offer of employment from my employer.Submitted our passpots and new offer of employment last August 18,2007.Are we affected of retrogression?Is there a possibility that they will issue us visa soon?
Thank you in advance.

If you were given a year, and met the requirements, then you have a chance of getting a visa sooner, but again, it will depend on what they did with the visa number that was issued to you originally.

There is nothing definite either way right now, it is 50% yes, and 50% that you will wait.