Obama health care law upheld.

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I'm right there with you on that one!

so the two of you prefer english made wool over your eyes versus american? right on. i prefer freedom fries over french fries...diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

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Think about it...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why some hate it. Who hates it? Rich hospital CEO's, doctors (who aren't so poor themselves), and members of the GOP who hate anything that has Obama even remotely associated with it (even more his trademark mandate). If these upper class people spent a week in the shoes of an underprivileged person, maybe it would open their eyes. If hospitals begin to go awry, analyze how much the CEO is making. I'm sure it's still what he/she made before...and maybe more. Regardless of if you hate Obama or not, the PATIENT PROTECTION and AFFORDABLE CARE ACT is for the good of the common people. :) I congratulate Chief Justice Roberts for getting over party lines to support what is right.

so you want less talented people running an institution charged with caring for peoples health?

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Specializes in ER, Med-surg.
so you want less talented people running an institution charged with caring for peoples health?
What talents do CEO's have? I don't think anybody wants less talented people...maybe less greedy people in charge of others health.
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Does anyone know how will it help those who have insurance but still can't afford medical procedures? The copay and deductible costs are going through the roof as companies cope with out of control health care costs.

Our copay for anything (emergency, life flight, life saving treatments or surgery) is 30% with an annual family deductible of $12,000, over 1/5th of our family's annual income. And our premium is over $800/month!

My husband recently had outpatient uretic stent surgery. He was in the hospital for only 6 hours from start to finish and it cost $25K, our share of which was $8,000. We're just scraping by right now and still paying off my child's emergency surgery. And yet when I called the hospital to explain our situation, they said, "We don't give discounts to anyone who has private insurance regardless of income." So I can't afford the carpal tunnel surgery I've put off for years nor the genitorurinary prolapse repair my doctor has repeatedly recommended because we can't afford the copay.

Will the ACA help people who don't qualify for Medicaid? I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm secretly jealous of the my MIL's Medicare and Medicare Advantage because she's been able to have very low cost carpal tunnel, hysterectomy, hip and knee replacement and Lasik surgeries. One of things I want to be able to afford when I'm an RN is colporrhapy.

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so its the fault of the hospitals, someone else thinks its the fault of the government, someone else thinks its the fault of the rich...im happy that this law will hopefully grease the wheels for hiring...but man where is all the entitlement coming from? if a person cant afford health insurance, thats on that person...not anyone else. i do believe there should be a social net...but to say its everyone elses fault but the person who cant find a job that pays well enough to get health insurance...this is america, the right to pursue wealth and the right not to pursue wealth.

Do you really believe what you are repeating from foxnewscorp...really???Its on that person that can't afford insurance...really...Would you also blame the victim of rape??? after the insurance companies ..yes..because of their greed have essentially rigged the game in favor of only the wealthiest. How can you not see that??? Especially when the living wage for the average American has not increased in over 30 years, yet the costs have steadily risen so far out of reach that people are forced to become indentured servants to as you say "to a job that pays well enough to get health insurance..." I am going out on a limb but you probably do not believe in unions either...you know--- those things that at one time helped workers get a living wage and get good benefits...oh no I forgot this is America were its no longer about us its about me me me. You are basically saying "Too bad buddy-- guess you don't get to be healthy and happy in the land of the free and the home of the brave" Sorry....oh yeah lets see...blame? Sad that you only see wealth in dollar signs...what ever happened to compassion for your fellow man? Entitlement: "right" is itself an entitlement associated with moral and social principle...good luck

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Specializes in L & D; Postpartum.

My living wage has increased dramatically in the past 34 years. My first nursing job paid $5.34 per hour. Now it is over $50, close to $60 with shift differentials.

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My living wage has increased dramatically in the past 34 years. My first nursing job paid $5.34 per hour. Now it is over $50, close to $60 with shift differentials.
If your hands are clean then the turd will never be dirty. Do you understand the overall concept of "living wage"? I am happy for you..."you" have it good. Way to go! I heard somewhere that "you" spelled backwards is "me". What about the less fortunate? It seems to always come down to leaving them out. When you continually "divide and conquer" eventually there is nothing left to divide.
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Specializes in L & D; Postpartum.
If your hands are clean then the turd will never be dirty. Do you understand the overall concept of "living wage"? I am happy for you..."you" have it good. Way to go! I heard somewhere that "you" spelled backwards is "me". What about the less fortunate? It seems to always come down to leaving them out. When you continually "divide and conquer" eventually there is nothing left to divide.
And when you expect the fortunate to always pick up the tab, it isnt long before they dont go out to dinner anymore. I do know more than hou are giving me credit for. But i also made damned sure i got an education and skill that would enable me to be where i am today. There are some who truly are disadvantaged, but there are many who are victim of their own poor choices.
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And when you expect the fortunate to always pick up the tab, it isnt long before they dont go out to dinner anymore. I do know more than hou are giving me credit for. But i also made damned sure i got an education and skill that would enable me to be where i am today. There are some who truly are disadvantaged, but there are many who are victim of their own poor choices.

I agree..there are many who are victims of their own poor choices...where, as a society, do we draw the line? Should they be punished forever? However, I do not agree that the "fortunate" "always" pick up the tab. It seems to me the so called "fortunate"... whether they make $60/hour or $11.92/hour(which by the way, is the "living wage" for a single person in my city)are all essentially of the same "class" for lack of a better description...and are still allowing those very few at the very top to earn 10000x that amount on their sweat. Do you still feel separate and apart from the divided "disadvantaged" as you call them... because those at the top have essentially thrown you a bone that costs $60/hour?

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Well, I can understand part of the physician's concern given it stipulates they get paid less if a pt is non-compliant. It puts a lot of pressure on us to get the patient into compliance.

For example : Im overweight thus not in compliance with my doctor's and nurses recommendation to lose weight and my diabetes / HTN/ etc is getting worse.... it's not my Dr's fault I cant find time to exercise and I cant afford to eat what Im supposed to eat, why are they getting paid less because I dont make time to take care of myself? It's not like there is a nurse or doctor coming to my door everyday to take me to the gym.

That's a simplification but it's the basic reason a lot of physician's don't support the act.

I personally find it shameful that we are the only industrialized so-called "democracy" that doesnt have nationalized health care. Im hoping the kinks will get worked out as we go.

Obamacare is not nationalized healthcare and indeed put the country more reliant upon employer sponsored (subsidised or not) health insurance. If anything you could call it nationalization of the country's health insurers, but that is where much of that argument stops.

In a way the decision yesterday puts a nail in the coffin of the United States having a single payer system in the foreseeable future. For better or worse things are what they are and the federal government must now make the thing work.

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big leap to say i dont believe in unions from my comments above, and yes I don't believe in all unions-

screen actors guilds for example...i think its silly that there should be a union so a would be actor gets health care, while waiting tables because they don't want to get a more stable jobs,

i dont think garbage men should have a union, because that job can be done by everyone and their salary should not be overinflated,

I do believe NFL players should have a union, because they provide the product that goes on tv that generates billions of dollars-

i believe in nursing unions that will get me a better wage because i am providing a vital service that requires training

but that appears the stance that many take...grab an issue and big 'ol brush and paint one side evil and the other robin hood...and of course the example you choose is a rape victim to pull at the heart strings...why not talk about the person who eats fast food as often as they can, don't exercise and expect US to take care of them when they get diabetes...i know why...because it doesn't make the public feel sorry and sympathetic...

i understand the system is broken and changes need to be made...in fact I'm a student nurse and am excited by the time I graduate, Obamacare goes in full effect so it can grease the wheels so your's truly can get a job. What I won't stay quiet about is when people who can't appreciate all sides trying to create a narrative that the person who does not have health care has no fault or personal responsibility. I understand the importance of a social net, and if the rape victim you speak of needs medical care and can't afford it, I believe their should be resources...see that separates me from you. i understand and see nuance. I don't believe all hospitals and corporations providing help care about people, and I don't think everyone who doesn't have insurance are poor victims. nothing is black and white.

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