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1. cost too much to transfer license from another state. About 220 bucks just for me to transfer my RN license since I am moving to another state. Lame. it's not like ive performed any crimes in the past few months.
2. Phd in nursing- LOL? Who would get a phd in nursing? it is not like it is as an elaborate field as chemistry, biology, or psychology. WHAT A JOKE. This is pretty much just a bullbeat way to try to OVERLEGITIMIZE the nursing profession. What are you performing double blind controlled studies on.... HOW TO GIVE A BEDBATH OR BREAK THE SEAL ON THE ASPIRIN TABLET???? Keep it simple folks.
3. Overcomplication- nurses are probably the worst at over complicating things. I remember back in undergraduate, we were taught those elaborate care plans. Do you know what care plans are? GARBAGE. You never use them and nobody cares about them. Unless you are one of those old hags with a Phd IN NURSING..... You know what else is dumb. NURSING DIAGNOSES. you know what those are? cheap copies of medical diagnoses, aka nurses trying to legitimize themselves with medicine. I remember having to come up with these stupid things. IMPAIRED NUTRITION SECONDARY TO DIFFICULTY SWALLOWING. ARE YOU KIDDING ME, NO CRAP, IF YOU CANT SWALLOW YOU CANT EAT. NO CRAP ROFL. I also remember the nursing skills manual. 10 pages on HOW TO FOLD A FREAKING WASHCLOTH AND MAKE A BED. Go home overcomplicators, go home.
I also remember having to learn indepth about diagnoses such as cardiac tamponade. WHENS THE LAST TIME YOU PAGED THE DOCTOR AT 3 AM "Hey I think this patient is in cardiac tamponade, you know when they stick the tampon in lemonaide???" ARE YOU KIDDING ME... NEVER.
I could go on and on about point 3.
Overcomplication is a simple way to try to self-legitimize. Something the PHD level nurses are professionals at. Good professionals simplify as much as they can, not do this garbage.
And yet they claim that they are equal to MD/DO... I personally think the game that the ANA is playing by pushing NP to become more and more independent will ultimately lead to the demise of NP/DNP... The same way an hygienist is not equal to a dentist is the same way a NP is not equal to a MD/DO regardless of any BOGUS published studies that are out there...
There is no comparison between MD and NP. Physicians first obtain a bachelor's degree, usually in a science, then spend four years in medical school, complete an internship and residency, and then often more specialty training. To be admitted to NP school you need to be an RN, with usually a BSN. The training, according to the programs I researched, is three years for a master's degree, with, according to the university web sites I checked, 600 or less clinical hours. Obviously physician training is far more extensive and rigorous.
If someone is standing in front of me or my family, and is presenting themself as a medical authority, then they had better be one. To us that means an MD/DO.
In some schools, one doesn't even need to be an RN to enter NP school (think grad-entry programs where some NP specialties are allowed to go straight from a bachelor's in basket-weaving to NP with zero bedside experience outside school clinicals). And the master's program at my university just did away with the GRE.
Do you have any examples of these schools? I'm pretty sure you have to have a nursing license to get into NP school...even if the standards are otherwise low.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
If someone is standing in front of me or my family, and is presenting themself as a medical authority, then they had better be one. To us that means an MD/DO.
Do you consider to many physicians currently practicing in the USA who do not hold either an MD or DO and instead hold a bachelors degree, with 5 or maybe 6 years of college after high school, to be medical authorities?
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Do you have any examples of these schools? I'm pretty sure you have to have a nursing license to get into NP school...even if the standards are otherwise low.
There are lots and lots of direct entry masters programs for APNs. Being an RN is not a requirement, but is earned in the program.
And yet they claim that they are equal to MD/DO... I personally think the game that the ANA is playing by pushing NP to become more and more independent will ultimately lead to the demise of NP/DNP... The same way an hygienist is not equal to a dentist is the same way a NP is not equal to a MD/DO regardless of any BOGUS published studies that are out there...
You should hear the grad-entry students at my school. They are having a hissy fit because no one wants to hire them as RNs (who wants to hire and train someone who they KNOW will be gone within two years?) , and many will find it difficult to get jobs as NPs because of the lack of healthcare experience.
I wish grad-entry programs were done away, that all NP programs required bedside experience, AND NP schools had residencies of some sort.
Do you have any examples of these schools? I'm pretty sure you have to have a nursing license to get into NP school...even if the standards are otherwise low.
I do. I attend the undergraduate portion, so I would rather not say it here. However, Case Western has one as does Yale. Just google "graduate-entry nurse practitioner programs" and you feel find a bunch of NP schools that have the pre-licensure part of the program where they obtain their RN and then the NP part all rolled into a 3.5-4 yr program. Only the acute specialties (acute adult/geriatric/pediatric and Neonatal) require those students to take time off in school in order to advance to the NP portion. The other specialties (FNP, PNP, Psych NP, etc) do not require any nursing bedside experience.
Do you consider to many physicians currently practicing in the USA who do not hold either an MD or DO and instead hold a bachelors degree, with 5 or maybe 6 years of college after high school, to be medical authorities?
I'm confused (though just starting my first cup of Joe after 56 hours over 4 days)...
I've never encountered a licensed physician who was not a holder of a medical doctorate. Are there m/any of these?
I apologize if either of you are students...my comments aren't meant to be personal... but I can't even say how damaging that is to the profession. How are NPs ever going to be taken seriously with that monkey business happening?
ALL Advanced Practice Nursing specialties should require minimum quantity and quality nursing experience. Shame on them!
I'm in a BSN program, and I am in agreement with you. There needs to be higher standards set for NP education. I am taking classes with the grad students and I am shocked at how many of them don't even know how to take a blood pressure manually but will sit for the nclex in six months!
@Princess and @PMFB, why is that OK?!
I apologize if either of you are students...my comments aren't meant to be personal... but I can't even say how damaging that is to the profession. How are NPs ever going to be taken seriously with that monkey business happening?
ALL Advanced Practice Nursing specialties should require minimum quantity and quality nursing experience. Shame on them!
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
I'm confused (though just starting my first cup of Joe after 56 hours over 4 days)...
I've never encountered a licensed physician who was not a holder of a medical doctorate. Are there m/any of these?
You don't know if you have ever encountered a physician who didn't have a medical doctorate. I work with lots of them, as do many of us. As a courtesy all health system I have experienced allow them to put "MD" on their ID badge, even though they don't hold an MD.
To answer your question, yes there are very many licensed physicians practicing in the USA who do not hold a medical, or any other doctorate. About 1/3 of the residents where I work have MBBS degrees and no doctorate degrees. You can read more about the MBBS here:
To answer your question, yes there are very many licensed physicians practicing in the USA who do not hold a medical, or any other doctorate. About 1/3 of the residents where I work have MBBS degrees and no doctorate degrees.
My US-centric bias is thus revealed...
It also reminds me of my former family "MD" who was, in fact, trained and degreed as an osteopath. After the California 'amalgamation,' osteopaths were granted MDs.
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There is no comparison between MD and NP. Physicians first obtain a bachelor's degree, usually in a science, then spend four years in medical school, complete an internship and residency, and then often more specialty training. To be admitted to NP school you need to be an RN, with usually a BSN. The training, according to the programs I researched, is three years for a master's degree, with, according to the university web sites I checked, 600 or less clinical hours. Obviously physician training is far more extensive and rigorous.
If someone is standing in front of me or my family, and is presenting themself as a medical authority, then they had better be one. To us that means an MD/DO.