feelings about double rooms - page 4
I was curious to see how everyone feels about double occupancy in hospital rooms. I believe that single room are the best for many reasons. 1. The patient is not bothered by other patients... Read More
May 19, '04Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159Quote from JeanineGood point Jeanine. Used to be the private rooms were for patients who needed them for medical reasons (TB, neutropenic, meningitis, etc).I agree that we should go back to the days of the bedded wards and stop coddling our patients. A hospital stay is not supposed to be for anything other than getting better and getting out. The families regularly helped in patient care and couldn't wait to bring their family member home to the privacy of their own rooms. Sure, hospitals today need to think in terms of customer service to survive, but it's not supposed to be the Hilton either!!
And there were less malingerers around in those days too.
Because the hospital was NOT a hotel. And administation wasn't pushing this '5 star' concept we see today..
May 19, '04Occupation: Registered Nurse/orthopedics and neurology and medsurg Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 333; Likes: 7the other night I was caring for my patient who was sharing a room with a younger man. Anyway, my patient was incontinent of stool a couple of times and the smell was pretty bad. The poor young man in the other bed was almost gagging. He had us spraying the room down. Also having confused patients that stay up all night hollering and keeping the patient in the next bed awake stinks too. Here they are trying to recover from surgery and they've got to listen to this confused guy hollering all night.
May 19, '04Occupation: RN Specialty: 8 year(s) of experience in IMCU/Telemetry ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 393; Likes: 125Quote from RaphealHave you ever had 2 patients who were attention seeking room together? They tend to feed off each other and become a real nursing headache. I really dislike that situation.
Try having 2 drug seekers in the same room. They swap med. and symptom info, and are soon complaining of, and asking for, the same thing. That was a fun night. :angryfire
May 19, '04Occupation: Down-sized psych nurse. Joined: Apr '01; Posts: 212; Likes: 14Quote from SmilingBluEyesI've been wondering about the HIPPA thing for a long time. How DO they get around it? It's not so bad on a psych unit, where most of the patients are up, dressed, and ambulatory (except for the borderlines who manage to get into a snit about one thing or another).In the USA, semi-private rooms are by their very nature, HIPAA violations in the making. At least IMO. There is NO way to maintain total privacy in compliance with HIPAA in this situation, what with the other patient AND his/her family around. I was hospitalized in January for major surgery related to a pregnancy loss and I remember my roommate and her family telling me they were sorry for my loss. I had never said a word to them. See what I mean?
May 19, '04Occupation: staff development Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 538; Likes: 50Quote from teeituptomSad to say -- we still do!! We have a few rooms on each unit that house 3 patients each -- they are made to hold 4, but administration has graciously granted that we may need some space for the equiptment that accompanies these patients. Most patients who end up in those "rooms" are a bit less than excited about sharing the space with a crowd -- and when you add a couple of visitors a piece -- it can get a bit cozy! But when we move to our new facility -- there will be only private rooms, with plenty of space and light for all!! ( the land of milk and honey? That's a ways down the road though!!)I konda miss the old days when we had Wards
May 19, '04Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 26I couldn't take the bruises anymore and finally quit the med/surg unit in the high-ranking hospital I once worked at mainly for the semi-private room issue. I'd say 50% of my time was spent moving patients--their beds, their stuff, their bedside commodes, their families--over incompatible roomates. The kicker was that each semi-private room was originally designed to be a single and the architect had somehow forgotten to factor in the need for closets. So here you had two beds and two scabbed on storage lockers that protruded into the room, you had two miserable little patients trapped in their beds because the nurse could literally not get at them, what with the surrounding chairs that the visitors sat in, the IV poles , the bedside potty (that visitors usually sat in not knowing there was probably a pool of pee right under them), the wadded-up SCD's---I think you can all picture this,right? No CNA that I have ever worked with has ever figured out how to clear a path to the patient. And forget about an RN knowing how to do this. We all just change our behavior and alter our common sense to squeeze ourselves into this space long enough to give pills, listen to complaints about roomates, answer a few questions. While you're therre, you bump your trochanteric process on the siderail of the bed behind the curtain. Two days laterr, you wonder how the hell you got that bruise. I stuck it out for 20 years. I kept waiting for the architect of that hospital to show up as a patient so I could give him a piece of my mind, show him by bruises, and apologize for not being able to start a new IV because I couldn't exactly reach him, but he (and you know it was a he) never showed up.
May 19, '04Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 1,058; Likes: 73Quote from raphealyes...it is horrible. i have a huge h/a when i get home... :uhoh21:have you ever had 2 patients who were attention seeking room together? they tend to feed off each other and become a real nursing headache. i really dislike that situation.
May 19, '04Occupation: Corrections Nurse. Joined: May '04; Posts: 32; Likes: 1Tom, you must be around my age if you remember wards......or worked at a VA Hospital.
May 19, '04Occupation: RN Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 170; Likes: 3I liked the wards, you could eyeball everyone at a glance, and if confused Mr Smith in the corner was climbing out of bed, you had 6 people on the buzzer to let you know.
I feel uncomfortable being stuck in a single room with a patient for an extended period of time, and not knowing what's going on in all the others.
Of course these worries could be allayed if the nurse to patient ratio decreased....
May 19, '04Occupation: Nursing Education Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 28; Likes: 2I am all for private rooms! In the ICU that I worj there are 4 private rooms and one "big room" that has 3 beds in it. Is most definitely co-op most of the time! One of the cardiologist calls it the "apartment"! It is very bad when the pt in bed 6 codes and the pts in Beds 5 and 7 are completely with it!!!
May 20, '04Occupation: Down-sized psych nurse. Joined: Apr '01; Posts: 212; Likes: 14Quote from ?burntoutthat's what i meant in my earlier post, where i made reference to borderlines on psych units: they are the worst!yes...it is horrible. i have a huge h/a when i get home... :uhoh21:Last edit by mamabear on May 20, '04 : Reason: RE: Raphael's earlier post (attention-seeking patients in the same room)
May 20, '04Joined: May '02; Posts: 4,577; Likes: 4,883Quote from RaphealMy unit has a combo of double and single rooms (never referred to as private, or the privately-insured pts started talking about their coverage - if you were well enough to be in a provate hospital then we'd send you there), plus a four-bed bay that's great for either all oriented and normal patients, or fully-stroked out patients. Of course, sometimes we get a mix of each category!The only positive aspect is that usually the roomies look out for each other. Have you ever had 2 patients who were attention seeking room together? They tend to feed off each other and become a real nursing headache. I really dislike that situation.
I'm kind of conflicted. On the one hand, put two functional seizure patients together and they set each other off the entire shift (which, if they're on continuous EEG monitoring can make diagnosis that bit faster), and I pity the poor patient stuck with a garulous patient with an extended family.
On the other hand, I've been alerted by patients several times to problems with roommates. Just a couple of weeks ago, on nights, I got buzzed as soon as I'd sat down. I thought "I was just in there not five minutes ago" and sulked off to the room. The patient by the door said "He just vomited and now he's making a funny noise."
Three steps further into the room and I pull back the curtain to see pt two unconscious, flat on his back, with vomitus everywhere - big old seizure. As it happens, he died anyway, but at least I called a code within a minute of it happening,a nd he had a chance. If not for patient #1, I wouldn't have found him for another twenty minutes.
May 20, '04Occupation: SAHM, for now. From: WI, US ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 2,574; Likes: 322Private rooms are so much better. Not only for the HIPAA component, but I'll echo the sentiments of others; if I'm sick enough to be hospitalized, I'm not in the mood to put up with anyone else's kvetching, TV, visitors, etc. I'm a very private person and I don't want my business to be shared with the other patient.
I've only had to deal with a semi-private room twice. One woman fancied herself very rich, a pillar of the community and demanded attention. I got sick of answering the phone for her - she had so many phone calls, and her visitors gave in to her delusions and treated me like a second class citizen. It was insane. After one night, I asked to be put in a private.
The second time I had to deal with it I had to put up with a woman who insisted that the TV be kept on all night. When she fell asleep (the snoring was another matter), I turned it off. Ten minutes later she woke up and turned it back on. Since it was on her side of the room, I had to put up with Jerry Springer and every talk show that was ever aired. I was so grateful when a private opened up the next day.