Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

[paphgrl]

"Altered energy diagnosis"

Do you support this NANDA diagnosis? Or do you feel that this diagnosis threatens the legitamacy of our profession? Nanda still stands behind it. What are your thoughts?

paphgrl

[zenman]

So, if a tree falls in a forest and nobody sees or hears it fall, are you saying that according to quantum physics there is no tree? Or are you saying that the observer is part of the tree?

Nothing is there unless an observer sees it.

[SFCardiacRN]

Now we're mixing physics and philosophy. The bottom line is this. Allnurses have to decide if they are going to base their practice in science. I think this current trend in masters programs to embrace shamanism, mysticism, herbs and the like is doing a dis-service to nursing in general. What should be our leaders in nursing are being siphoned off into non-rational belief systems. Due to looming ACLS cert. and a QI project on brachial plexus injury in cardiac surgery, I must sign off for now.

[chadash]

Even eastern thought would acknowledge there are trees we cannot see. In practice, I am sure that you do believe in objective truth.

[chadash]

Well, according to quantum physics (of which I wish I knew more about), it is impossible to separate the observer from what is being observed. Why, do you see a box?

are you implying I am boxyesque? Hmmm, I better get on the treadmill....

we will delve into quantum physics after I have shaped up!

[chadash]

So I told my husband about this, and how if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to observe, well it did not happen on the particle level, and how we could really preserve our forest if we would just move far enough away to not hear or see the trees, and how Einstein didn’t like this idea a bit, and how I am shaped like a box since I think there is one, and I need to get on the treadmill and he agreed, and that quantum physics is really really hard, and he said "take your temperature", and I said "why? I don’t have a temperature." And he said "take your temperature", and I said "I see oh wise one, if I don’t take my temperature, I don’t have a temperature!" And he said NO, I just want three minutes of quiet. Men!

[Retired R.N.]

Nothing is there unless an observer sees it.

While it happens or after it happens?

[chadash]

“the universe is real, not illusory” Schaefer

On a quantum level, do you think we can impact the course of history, sort of the imagine world peace stuff?

[stonehouse]

I think this new NANDA diagnosis makes nursed look like a bunch of witch doctors. I think this diagnosis is especially embarassing given the emphasis on evidence-based practice and the importance of the image of nursing.

[zenman]

While it happens or after it happens?

It won't happen unless there is an observer there to observe it. I remember back in the 80s when I was working on my CNS in psych and was studying family therapy, I found an article in a Family Therapy Journal about a South American researcher who was studying frog vision. He came to the same conclusion - that nothing occured unless it was observed. Now, I'm trying to remember why such an article was in a Family Therapy Journal and what connection there was to family therapy!

[zenman]

Now we're mixing physics and philosophy. The bottom line is this. Allnurses have to decide if they are going to base their practice in science. I think this current trend in masters programs to embrace shamanism, mysticism, herbs and the like is doing a dis-service to nursing in general.

But, if you want to base our practice in science should we base it on outdated science or where science thought currently is? Right now, Western medicine is decades behind...and you know nursing is right there also. Current science explains much of shamanism, mysticism, etc. and makes me amazed that our ancient peoples were so smart to even be ahead of where many of us stand right now!

[zenman]

I think this new NANDA diagnosis makes nursed look like a bunch of witch doctors. I think this diagnosis is especially embarassing given the emphasis on evidence-based practice and the importance of the image of nursing.

And out of the blue comes another person who stresses "evidence-based" practice but yet fails to look up the evidence, LOL! Welcome to this discussion.

[mcmannrn]

What were they thinkin'???? I believe that touch is important, holding a hand, soothing a brow, petting the dog....but do I know the status of your energy field NO, I don't believe that I do.