Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

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chadash

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http://www.thepublicinterest.com/archives/2000summer/article1.html

I will continue to practice holistic science based nursing and hope that some day you "over educated" nurses will realize the harm you are causing to our profession.

very interestin article. I liked this quote (here I go again!)

For these nurses, words like "reality," "objective," "evidence-based practice," "quantitative research," and even "measurement" have become code words for all that is evil, patriarchal, and insensitive about modern science and modern medicine. In their place, they have substituted the fashionable phrases of feminism, postmodernism, and hermeneutics: "constructed reality," "social construction," "lived experience," and - to a baffling extent - such terms as "phenomenology" and "epistemology."

Sounds a bit political, doesn't it?

rngreenhorn

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In an attempt to become better informed in the "Science of Nursing," I did a web search using the terms I've encountered in this thread: "altered energy field, the Science of Unitary Beings, Martha Rogers, energetic, Reiki theuraputic touch... etc."

I found myself running into words and phrases such as: "flowing life force, unitary transformative paradigm, transferable phenomena, being-with, fullness of being, transcedent togetherness, principles of homeodynamics, resonancy, helicy, intergrality.....

And my favorite: "pandimensionality"

My breif excursion into the science of nursing wasn't a total loss though. While looking up the word "pandimensionality" is Taber's, I found "pandiculation" defined as: "stretching of the limbs and yawning, as awakening from normal sleep." I had no idea there was such a word to succinctly describe this action. It ought to come in handy in future charting.

So, alas, I am apparently destined to remain unenlightened. I am going to talk to my nursing supervisor tomorrow about having my name badge title officially changed from RN to RN UUBF (Uninformed Unenlightened Bottom Feeder)

Sorry zenman, danu, granny, chadash and others, I really tried to keep an open mind, and weigh both sides, but the terminology is just to much for my pragmatic personality. I find myself siding more with cardiacrn. Perhaps my energy field is (to use a better understood words) FUBAR.

While yes it is true, I don't have a background of years of study in these so-called sciences, I have come quite firmly to the conclusion (at present) I have no desire for further schooling in these feilds. I'll have to have a major personality change or perhaps a "reality-ectomy" to pursue this line of study.

I will, however, continue to treat my patients with compassionate, attentive, adept care.

With that said, I guess I will sign off from this thread. Thanks guys for the discussion.

PS Danu- get a job darn it.

zenman

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I couldn’t read past the first few paragraphs because the author did not even do her homework regarding the TT articles published in JAMA…a mistake JAMA regrets to this day. Not only did they violate their own peer review process, TT as described by Krieger was not even a part of this study!

I will continue to practice holistic science based nursing and hope that some day you "over educated" nurses will realize the harm you are causing to our profession.

You realize that “over educated” is an oxymoron! :rotfl: How can we be causing harm to our profession? Western medicine, of which nursing is a part, is not doing very well. Sure it excels in trauma and surgery but fails miserably in chronic conditions. Our health care system is one of the leading causes of death in this country. Does that strike you as very odd? From Bruce Lipton, (a cell biologist and about as scientific a fellow as you can get as well as a medical school professor) speaking about physicians, “Their healing abilities are hobbled by an archaic medical education founded on a Newtonian, matter-only Universe. Unfortunately, that philosophy went out of vogue seventy-five years ago, when physicists officially adopted quantum mechanics and recognized that the Universe is actually made out of energy.”

And more, “What are the forces that control the twisting and folding of molecules into complex shapes? Don’t look for the answers in your organic chemistry textbook. Yet organic chemistry provides the mechanistic foundation for biomedicine; and as Weinhold notes, that branch of science is so far out of date that it’s textbooks have yet to recognize quantum physics. Conventional medical researchers have no understanding of the molecular mechanisms that truly provide for life.” So do you really want to embrace this viewpoint?

This is why I say that even though physicians use a cell phone, they don’t recognize the way it works. Some goes for some of the diagnostic equipment in the hospital, LOL! Even your mammogram is not a photograph but an electronic image created from scanning radiant energy of different body tissues…but noooooo, that can’t be!

Every culture on earth, without benefit of communicating with each other, has described the same energetic phenomenon. Perhaps those who are more tuned to nature have finer tuned senses. I think so. Alberto Villoldo, Ph.D., a medical anthropologist, tells a story about meeting a healer in the jungle. When asked how he knew where to work on people, he replied that he could see “rivers of energy.” Villoldo got him to draw these rivers on another person’s back with lipstick, took a photo, and then compared it to traditional Chinese meridians. They were exactly alike. This guy in the jungle had never even heard of anything Chinese!

He also tells a story about his early years in Haiti when he was convinced that black magic would only work if you believed in it. A senior anthropologist made a $100 bet with him that he was wrong. They went off to see this voodoo priest and Villoldo can understand enough French to hear the senior anthropologist say, “Don’t hurt him.” They decided that the spell would be done the following week on a Monday when Villoldo was back in California.

On Monday, he was having dinner with friends and telling them how you had to believe in this stuff for it to work. Monday went by, then Tuesday and Wednesday. On Thursday, Villoldo developed a migraine and severe vomiting. The phone rang with a collect call. The senior anthropologist said that they had been unable to do the spell on Monday but how was he doing right now! Villoldo begged him to go back to the priest and tell him to stop. Tests at the university health center turned up negative.

I also had a Zen Shiatsu student from Haiti who could sense energy very well. I would place a hand on her abdomen and she would correctly tell me where I was sending it through her body. She would not talk about voodoo though and you could tell she was very afraid of it.

Everyone has the right to their own beliefs but I find it so amazing that people are so stuck on Western medicine…just don’t see it. I mean the planet is composed of energy, LOL!

danu3

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PS Danu- get a job darn it.

Where do you work? What unit? I think I will try to apply where you work and at your unit. :)

danu3

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i couldn’t read past the first few paragraphs because the author did not even do her homework regarding the tt articles published in jama…a mistake jama regrets to this day. not only did they violate their own peer review process, tt as described by krieger was not even a part of this study!

to save me some time, can you give me the actual reference that jama admits that this particular study is a mistake?

another observation, what about the tt practioners who agreed to participate in this studies? they need some retraiing then? i mean if they understand krieger's tt (or are they from some other school of tt?), should they not agree to participate in the first place?

also again so save me time, what are the jama's peer review process and how do they violate it? a few good examples will do.

i personally find the article informative, maybe you should finish the whole thing.

western medicine, of which nursing is a part, is not doing very well. sure it excels in trauma and surgery but fails miserably in chronic conditions. our health care system is one of the leading causes of death in this country.

what about infectious diseases? true, we have superbug and stuff like that now. but if we compare the effectiveness of western medicine to other medical modality, which one save the most lives? as for chronic conditions, which one? i can think of serious mental illness like schizophrenia, that every medical modality failed if you look at it objectively. western medicine at least for many people with schizophrenia enable them to be stable enough that we can bring in the psyco-social part of treatment to enable them to have a good life again. what about diabeties? western medicine fail miserably in this?

well, if the "postmodern" nursing takes charge, we won't me part of western medicine. how about other healt care system? how many people do they kill? we probably won't be able to tell because they don't have an obsession like western medicine in documenting everything under the sun, especially one's own failure.

does that strike you as very odd? from bruce lipton, (a cell biologist and about as scientific a fellow as you can get as well as a medical school professor) speaking about physicians, “their healing abilities are hobbled by an archaic medical education founded on a newtonian, matter-only universe. unfortunately, that philosophy went out of vogue seventy-five years ago, when physicists officially adopted quantum mechanics and recognized that the universe is actually made out of energy.”

let's see, if i remember in school when one take the physics series, you do learn about newtonian physics (even now). quantum physics you learn at the last quarter or so. newtonian physics even now has its application, it is not obsolete. as for the evergy stuff, what about light? current understanding (if i am correct), light can be understood as wave (energy) or as particle. which model of understanding depends on the situation, sometimes one model seemed to be better than the other.

about the philosophy went out of vogue... that is interesting... so we are to adopt the philosophy of the month?

and more, “what are the forces that control the twisting and folding of molecules into complex shapes? don’t look for the answers in your organic chemistry textbook. yet organic chemistry provides the mechanistic foundation for biomedicine; and as weinhold notes, that branch of science is so far out of date that it’s textbooks have yet to recognize quantum physics. conventional medical researchers have no understanding of the molecular mechanisms that truly provide for life.” so do you really want to embrace this viewpoint?

the thing is does anyone really understand the molecular mechanisms that truly provide for life? if i take the view you are suggesting, then i would reject western medicine, i would reject chinese medicine, i would reject tt right off the bat, i would reject all ancient healing modality as none of them understand the molecular mechanisms that truly provide for life.

this is why i say that even though physicians use a cell phone, they don’t recognize the way it works. some goes for some of the diagnostic equipment in the hospital, lol! even your mammogram is not a photograph but an electronic image created from scanning radiant energy of different body tissues…but noooooo, that can’t be!

i drive a car but i do not really understand how it works. the key here is that i know how to operate a car. the key here is that a physicians know how to use a cell phone. the key here is that a trained person knows how to interpret a mammogram.

every culture on earth, without benefit of communicating with each other, has described the same energetic phenomenon.

i am not sure about the "every" part of the statement. it is true that many cultures all over has it. for example, the judeo-christian culture don't have this. how about the ancient egytian culture, i don't think they have it (i may be wrong). how about the ancient greek culture, do they have it?

perhaps those who are more tuned to nature have finer tuned senses. i think so. alberto villoldo, ph.d., a medical anthropologist, tells a story about meeting a healer in the jungle. when asked how he knew where to work on people, he replied that he could see “rivers of energy.” villoldo got him to draw these rivers on another person’s back with lipstick, took a photo, and then compared it to traditional chinese meridians. they were exactly alike. this guy in the jungle had never even heard of anything chinese!

maybe they have a finer tuned senses. or maybe they were told by a powerful spiritual beings (this is another view).

on monday, he was having dinner with friends and telling them how you had to believe in this stuff for it to work. monday went by, then tuesday and wednesday. on thursday, villoldo developed a migraine and severe vomiting. the phone rang with a collect call. the senior anthropologist said that they had been unable to do the spell on monday but how was he doing right now! villoldo begged him to go back to the priest and tell him to stop. tests at the university health center turned up negative.

let's see, there are different explanations of this (assuming it is true) depending on one's world's view. one possible explanation of this is that of a worldview that acknowledge there are different dimensions of reality. in this case, there is a spiritual dimensions where there are powerful spiritual beings (shamanism, christianity, judaism, isalm...). vodoo involve directly or indirectly invoking a powerfull spiritual beings to do the persons bidding - nothing to do with "energy" as we are talking about in this thread.

since the health center test turned up negative, it is possible for the beings to muck with the tests to make it turned up negative (corrected messed up word). in shamanic literature, things like the ability to mess up our modern equipment is not unheard off. i personally have heard personal stories like this. like one case one of my teacher went to a ritual in malaysia and he took some pictures (he knows he is not suppose to) and the shaman there pointed at his camera. when he developed his films, only and only those pictures he took were wiped out, all other pictures were ok. the class i am taking now, the prof mentioned one guest speaker she does not bring to class anymore because the guest speaker was a bit harsh with the class (like she wiped out the recording of the one of the students whom she feel bugged). i also hear stories about how in the villages of china where the shaman kicked out all the christians during one of their rituals because the by the mere presense of the christians, they are interfereing with them. now if you laugh at the christian story i just mentioned, check your attitude.

everyone has the right to their own beliefs but i find it so amazing that people are so stuck on western medicine…just don’t see it. i mean the planet is composed of energy, lol!

the next question is actually - what is energy compose of?

another observation, western medicine is very very young comparing to other medical systems of the world which many are thousands of years old. how many people died as a results of these medical systems? it is true many people died under western medicine, but how many people did it also save?

danu3

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http://www.thepublicinterest.com/archives/2000summer/article1.html

I will continue to practice holistic science based nursing and hope that some day you "over educated" nurses will realize the harm you are causing to our profession.

Some probably will do lots of harm and some will do lots of good. Let's hope it washes out even or maybe even a bit toward the positive.

danu3

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So, alas, I am apparently destined to remain unenlightened.

If alll the stuff we talked about in this thread turned out to be 100% rubbish... well... those of us who think we are enlightened will eat humble pie and you just save yourself tons of time and energy.

While yes it is true, I don't have a background of years of study in these so-called sciences, I have come quite firmly to the conclusion (at present) I have no desire for further schooling in these feilds. I'll have to have a major personality change or perhaps a "reality-ectomy" to pursue this line of study.

I don't think your involvement in this thread is a waste of time. Actually I don't any of us who are involve in this thread is a waste of time regardless of what positions we take. The reason is that we probably will come into contact with TT and other "postmodern" nursing practices directly eventually if we have not already. When we make contact, at least we have a head start in terms of the different positions.

I will, however, continue to treat my patients with compassionate, attentive, adept care.

I think nurses on both side of this issue all want to treat our patiens the way you said it.

chadash

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WEll, as usual, I am in deep doo doo...

to review: I work private duty(no agency) as a nursing assistant, and about ten days ago I noticed the patient's urine smelled differently and that sometimes the pad under her had a little urine on it (she has a foley catheter). She had no obvious symptoms, but I got some reagent strips that test for nitrites and WBCs and it came out positive. My patient has an agency that provides a nursing assistant to come 3x per week, and a nurse who comes 2x per month or when needed. They are in contact with her doctor etc, and the patient lives with family. So I left a report for the NA who was to be there the next morning asking her to pass this on to her RN.

Well, she did not, so I tested the next time I came, 4 days later, still positive, so I left another note for the NA and stressed with the patient to encourage her to call her nurse. ( the notes are also seen by family) The NA, who came the next day, DID call the nurse. When I came back my next working day ( I work only tues and thurs) the nurse had not yet responded. I was still concerned, but figured the nurse new alot more than I did, so maybe this was not really important. When I came last thursday, my patient said she was not feeling well, so I tested again, still positive. I left another note for the NA, stressing my concern. The patients son was home that day, so I explained to him my concern.

Well, I come in this morning, and my lady is sick in bed, never got a response from the nurse, so the family took her to the doctor Sat. and she does have a UTI.

Well the agency nurse shows up while I am there today, and questions her about her symptoms, why anyone tested etc.

The nurse blamed me for not calling her directly ( I do not work for the agency) and said that was why she had ignored her NA's report about the nitrites and WBCs. Said for all she knew this was not significant because she did not know who I was. She said no lasting harm done, but that the patient had to suffer because of this. She said she was going to report to the doctor why this happened.

The last thing I wanted was to have my patient suffer! She had seen the nurse during this interval once, and mentioned the urine but the nurses said the urine looked good and dilute. Frankly, it did to me too. I just could smell the difference. And I am a worry wart!

Ugh!

Sorry this is so off subject, but it seems that things do get twisted, and when you are at the bottom of the heep....

chadash

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OK, back on subject, geesh!

What is psychoneuroimmunology and now might it relate to Therapeutic touch?

danu3

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OK, back on subject, geesh!

What is psychoneuroimmunology and now might it relate to Therapeutic touch?

Have no idea. But from the roots of thw word, it might mean how the relationship between the biochemistry of our brain and our psychology affect our immune system. Just a guess. Sort of this "mind-body" thing and how it affects our immune system. There is an Eatern approach to it but you can approach it without an Eastern philosophy also.

chadash

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yeah, I think that may be it, and I guess I was wondering if that might explain placebo effects etc.?

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