Nursing Diagnoses: Useless Statements secondary to Professional Insecurity

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I vowed upon my graduation from nursing school (second semester into nursing school really. I skipped graduation.) that I would devote my career to abolishing the utterly useless institutions of NIC, NOC, NANDA. It's now been 2 years since my graduation, but I have not made any effort. Why? Because I've largely forgotten about nursing diagnoses.

But then I remembered, and their existence irritated me. Why? Because their mere existence is a testament to the insecurity and defensiveness nursing presents as a profession.

As nurses we are a distinct profession with unique duties and professional autonomy. While to the public it may appear that we are physician handmaidens and that physicians are the one's calling all the shots, we have a very specific, invaluable role to play in healthcare. Let's face it: Without nurses, how does a hospital function? How would patient's survive?

Though it often seems that physician's are taught in medical school that nursing is a profession that is inferior and that our duties are limited only to bedpans and husband shopping, we know better. But, we also know that the public generally does not know better. Although nursing consistently ranks as a trusted profession, we are held in lower regard than physicians. This is partly related to the fact that many of our duties are related helping patients with basic activities of daily living. It, of course, does not take advanced training and education to help someone to the toilet or provide oral care. But our duties that do rely on our medical training and scientific knowledge - recognition and prevention of potentially life threatening complications - and our role as patient advocate, are typically unseen by a patient and his family. And, of course, many physicians see our patient advocacy role, which manifests itself as repeated phone calls requesting orders that should have been written in the first place and to relay signs and symptoms of decompensation, as a nuisance or as insubordination. ("How dare you question my order! I'm a physician. You're just a nurse! etc..")

So what does the Nursing Profession do? It comes up with the stupid idea of Nursing Diagnoses. Any student nurse can tell you that diagnosing belongs in the realm of the physician. Nurses do not diagnose. Oh, but we are so insecure! Our jobs are important too! We have our own unique diagnoses to make! According to NANDA nursing diagnoses are "a clinical judgement about individual, family, or community responses to actual or potential health problems/life processes. Nursing diagnoses provide the basis for selection of nursing interventions to achieve outcomes for which the nurse is accountable."

So, as nurses we see a clinical problem (actual or potential). We "diagnose" the problem, then we solve it. Most nurses, I would hazard to guess, are able to do this without stopping to think of the official NANDA "diagnosis." We see a patient in pain, we administer pain medication as ordered or we call the physician for an appropriate order. If we have a patient that is admitted for pneumonia, we do not stop and "diagnose" the patient, we work with them to improve their lung function.

Nursing diagnoses really are elaborate ways of stating the obvious. Of course a patient who s/p abdominal surgery is going to have an "alteration in comfort." Of course someone with pneumonia is going to have "impaired gas exchange." These are obvious to anyone with an IQ above 70. Surgery hurts, and when your lungs are infected you don't breathe so good. So what must the other members of the health care team think of such painfully obvious "diagnoses?" It comes off as nurses trying, pathetically, to elevate their profession to the same level as physicians. But we aren't physicians. We are nurses. Our role is vital, but different. Why not, then, spend our efforts at educating the public about what we do, and why we're important. Why are we wasting our time trying to be "diagnose" the obvious?

So, who's with me?

(Sorry that this is rather incoherent. This is a rambling post about my thoughts on nursing diagnoses. I plan on coming up with something a bit more cogent later. I just felt the need to get this off my chest now.)

Specializes in Med-Surg /Cardiac Step-Down/CICU/CTICU.
Perhaps you didn't read my response where I stated that an argument can be made for the use of nursing diagnoses in education. (Although I think they are intellectually insulting).

But the problem is that they are not just being used in education; they are used in practice. If they were just used in education, my original post would have been a rant about how stupid I think they are and thank goodness I am free of them now that I've graduated!

But they do leave the university. They're part of professional nursing, not just student nursing. NANDA states "Implementation of nursing diagnosis enhances every aspect of nursing practice, from garnering professional respect to assuring consistent documentation representing nurses' professional clinical judgment, and accurate documentation to enable reimbursement. NANDA International exists to develop, refine and promote terminology that accurately reflects nurses' clinical judgments. "

Where in that statement do you see anything about education? It's all about clinical practice. All members of the healthcare team see nursing diagnoses, scratch their head, and then laugh. As they should. They're silly.

well i don't know where you work, but i definately don't write out nursing diagnoses from the textbook, and i don't go to a physcian with one either. as for what you said about seizures. yes of course you want the RN to take action and get the seizure precautions established but then tell me where will you write that you did. where will you document your action, and plan of care for the patient=care plans=diagnoses-risk for injury secondary to seizures. are you going to write nursing notes every single time for every single issue with your patient. if in a court of law how will you document that you were aware the patient was at risk injury from seizures and that action was taken to prevent injury from occuring.

i understand what you are trying to say, but you have to understand that this has been studied long before our time. i know there was a time when this was not being taught. is it wrong...is it right. well its here now. i guess it can change and probably will in the future. but what i do know is that yes i use them to a certain degree, until practice changes. thats all i will say about it. thanks for the post, always interesting in reading what other nurses are saying ;) best of luck to you !

I don't think you were incoherent. You expressed yourself very well.

Nursing diagnosis and careplans are just makework dreamed up by nursing instructors. But it's good practice for the real world when we have to waste our time and spin our wheels signing hourly rounding logs which just get thrown out or documenting an accucheck in three different places.

I don't think you were incoherent. You expressed yourself very well.

Nursing diagnosis and careplans are just makework dreamed up by nursing instructors. But it's good practice for the real world when we have to waste our time and spin our wheels signing hourly rounding logs which just get thrown out or documenting an accucheck in three different places.

Hmm... Formulating nursing diagnoses and care plans in the educational setting as preparation for the mountain of pointless paperwork and repetitive documentation one experiences as a professional nurse.

Makes the most sense, and provides the most practical application of nursing diagnoses that I've heard so far!

Kudos!

Specializes in Hem/Onc, LTC, AL, Homecare, Mgmt, Psych.

a nursing diagnosis in itself is really just a label. so nanda gives us a list of labels so that we have a starting point to form nice & clear plans of care, which i think does enhance the nursing profession. (and yes, some of them crack me up!)

i don't have problems with care plans. i have a problem with nursing diagnoses. i'm on the fence about having a specific nursing language (it seems, initially, to me that the healthcare team should all be speaking the same language....).

how seriously are nursing diagnoses taken? not very, nor should they be. they're silly.

seriously. how hard to you work to correct an aura displacement?

by and large i believe nursing diagnoses make the nursing profession look silly. shouldn't an organization that states, "implementation of nursing diagnosis enhances every aspect of nursing practice..." actually enhance the nursing profession?

Specializes in Psychiatry (PMHNP), Family (FNP).

Regarding the comment: "Any student nurse can tell you that diagnosing belongs in the realm of the physician. Nurses do not diagnose." Actually we do. Check advanced practice scopes of practice, which vary from state to state. It's a big part of what we do, and for a good reason : correct treatment always follows a careful diagnosis. It's nursing treatment from a medical basis, and believe me, NANDA does not cut it there!

Someone else wrote (to the effect) "we're not allowed to use the physician's language" to which I say : yes you are, you just aren't allowed to be the one to make the diagnosis (unless in advanced practice sphere.) Once the diagnosis is made, it's perfectly correct for a nurse to refer to a patients XYZ medical condition instead of referring to is as "altered comfort" or whatever. How would we ever talk to one another in that scenario?

Nanda has us speaking a language that others have no use for. To the extent it helps nurses conceptualize nursing care, maybe it has merit. Unfortunately it has to be jettisoned (or adapted?) for advanced practice!

I hear you, Fribblet. Imagine other professions developing something similar... "Impaired mobilization r/t altered air pressure" = flat tire.

I understand how you feel. I felt, in nursing school, that the whole nursing diagnosis thing was actually condescending to nurses. Feeling a lack of respect? Awww. Here's a bone we can throw you. Look! You can diagnose too! You're just as important. Me, I don't need to be given permission to diagnose in order to feel like an important and respected member of the team.

But...maybe nursing diagnoses serve a purpose. Maybe the physicians do need to see that in order to realize that we are colleagues and peers, not handmaidens working FOR them. As older physician retire and younger ones rotate in the mix, I see this as less and less of an issue (except with some, but for the most part, it's getting better).

Another thing I've realized since leaving nursing school is that the NANDA is a really good tool for learning and teaching. It makes student nurses figure out the "why" of what they're doing instead of just blindly following an order. Why do you check a pedal pulse in a cath patient every 15 minutes, then every 30, then every hour, then every two? Because of potential for altered tissue perfusion related to invasive procedure.

I think that they need to exist, if for no other reason than to be used as a teaching tool.

Do any of our docs get mad when we tell them pt X went into afib? NO, because we're speaking their language. If we had to communicate with them in NANDAnese, we'd be as understandable as if we were trying to talk past half a dozen tongue piercings at once, if they had the time to wait through it.

Should we teach students to be afraid of saying "afib" because it's a medical dx? No, because it is not only a dx, it is also a nurse's observation. Hey' it's even a monitor tech's observation. Would I get annoyed if my monitor tech didn't tell me a pt went into afib? No more than the pt's doctor would get annoyed if I didn't tell him the same.

And in practical terms, if I tell a doc his pt went into afib with a HR of 144, what do you think he's gonna do? He's gonna order a cardizem push and drip, just as if a fellow doc had given him a dx of afib, right?

I don't like the nursing dx either, but I do find the interventions listed to be helpful. Some, if not most, are common sense. Others are interventions I wouldn't have immediately thought of. If it helps to internalize the nursing thought process so that it becomes second nature, I will put up with it. But, I can't wait to be rid of the damn care plans after school.

I don't like the nursing dx either, but I do find the interventions listed to be helpful.

Yeah, but you'd do 'em anyway, right?

Specializes in Critical Care, Cardiology, Adult-Elderly.
I hear you, Fribblet. Imagine other professions developing something similar... "Impaired mobilization r/t altered air pressure" = flat tire.

I'll keep this one in mind the next time I need to fix a flat out on my bicycle out on the road!:yeah:

The doc I used to work for would laugh his head off when he discussed how nurses invented nursing diagnoses. He felt they were condescending, and an attempt to make nurses sound more important. Forget the nursing diagnoses, and let us care for patients properly using what we learned from nursing school and experience. Cut the fluff out!

Specializes in ER, ICU, Education.

As a nurse educator, I see no need to make up any extra work for my students. Instead, I use a very modified care plan form. It is 1 page, front and back. It must list the admitting diagnosis, relevant history, patho, meds and rationale, labs and what they indicate, and identify top patient needs (ex- safety, teaching, etc). No nursing diagnoses, no NANDA/NIC/NOC.

There are far too many new nurses who quit because education does not mirror practice. I prefer that my students become as acclimated as possible to real-world nursing while in school. Of course, some things can't be replicated; there is nothing like knowing that a patient group is your responsibility. But I would prefer their efforts are directed productively.

We have assessment groups and I do quiz them a lot- what are they doing and why? How will they know if it's working? What is the worst-case scenario and why? My students don't have time for busy work. They are too busy learning to be nurses.

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