would you cross a picket line???? - page 4
Yesterday one of my nursing coworkers told me about some strike in OHIO and that she was going to take a travel assignment to that area..... I am totally happy where I am, but I was kinda wondering... Read More
Jul 5, '02Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 15I would never cross a picket line and yes, I have been on strike. I was also on the negoiation team and after that experience, I would never, never trust the suits again. The hate and contempt that they showed during the negoiations was disgusting. They called us prima donnas, spoiled little brats, and arrogant women who could be replaced by any "monkey" off the street. They also had no interest in settling the strike, they only wanted to break us. They also had a ten day strike notice before we went on strike and did nothing to decrease the patient census, preferring to use strikebreakers to staff the facility. The distrust between the union and management continues to this day and ironically, when the hospital acheived Magnet status, the examiners told them that it was because of the policies the union negoiated that the hospital got the award.
I think this whole discussion goes to how united nurses are as a group. If nurses spoke as a united group, then they could refuse mandatory OT, improve unsave staffing and unsafe working conditions, and maybe improve the nursing shortage. As much as the suits don't want to admit it, people come to the hospital for nursing care and if we weren't there, the place would fall apart.
Jul 6, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 2,662; Likes: 46<J.T> now that's some nice propaganda>
Propaganda? Actually, since it all really happened, its Fact.
Dont worry about tar & feathers - my union & its members dont believe in violence.
Education & knowledge is the key..... but you can only lead a horse to water - you cant make him drink it.
Jul 6, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 2,662; Likes: 46Point to remember:
No RN or her union wants to strike. They do not walk out of negotiations, stomping their feet & heading to the door. Strikes ONLY happen when The HOSPITAL refuses to talk any further - walks out of negotiations itself - leaving the nurses sitting at the table alone - and expects them to shake in their shoes with fear & just accept whatever is being tossed to them. Our employers tell us at negotiations "thats it - we're thru talking - theres the door - do what you gotta do - IF you think you can". They are banking on the hope that the nurses will not stick together & instead will give up their demands for safe conditions, recruitment & retention incentives. But union nurses will not accept the unacceptable.
Union RNs do not have anything to feel guilty about when they are forced by their employer to strike. That onus falls on the employer & he should hang his head in shame because it is the hospital that provokes & causes a strike - with no thought to the pts & community affected by it.
We started negotiations for a new contract in June one year & at the same time it was supposedly negotiating in good faith, the hospital was found to be making secret arrangements with a strike-busting agency to contract in strikeBreakers. While we thought we were making progress in negotiations, it was all smoke & lip service because the hospital had already decided from the beginning that it was not going to agree to anything we needed & it was secretly PLANNING to cause a strike! They were charged with Bad Faith Bargaining & found guilty.
If they felt any ethical, moral, or professional responsibilty to their "customers" - the pts - they would do whatever they had to do to work out a fair settlement without pushing their RNs out on strike. Too many times, however, the administration will choose to get into a battle of wills with the nurses to protect their profit margin because to them, profits come before pts. Its sad that the administration would choose to have a strike & try to break their own nurses rather than try to fix the hospitals problems. But thats not the nurses fault.
The blame for a strike & the inconvenience it causes the pts, the community, & the loss of taxpayer funds used on strikeBreakers falls directly on the hospital administration that chose to go this route. All of it could have been avoided if the hospital simply was willing to engage in fair negotiations that adequately addressed the problems.
Jul 6, '02Joined: May '02; Posts: 1,022; Likes: 64Pacernurse and Jt are right on the money. We need to get the word out to the public about how it is that these suits work and how they couldn't care less about the patients. Would I ever CHOOSE to strike, NO, but if it came to a strike vote I would wholeheartedly vote YES and honor the line for the duration and be as vocal with the public as I could. So please, let's stop saying how it is the nurses who are walking away from our patients. We are being forced away and it is all in the name of profits. Go figure that one out!!!!
Jul 6, '02Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 2Here are independent verifications that the new California Nursing Assn. agreement with the UC system netted nurses BIG, and wll deserved gains.
I'm unclear why these numbers have become a target for attack -- and referred to as "propaganda." If more info is needed, I suggest anyone interested contact the CNA directly.
This is good news. Embrace it:
From the "Sacramento Bee," at Sacbee.com
Systemwide, the nurses voted 95 percent in favor of the three-year agreement that provides raises averaging 19 percent to 25 percent and hourly wages as high as $47,said Charles Idelson, communications director of the California Nurses Association.
Nurses at UC San Francisco
will be able to earn nearly
$99,000 yearly under the
new pact, and retirement after
40 years will be at full salary
with comprehensive health
benefits, Idelson said.
San Diego paper
"It's giving nurses the pay they've deserved all along," said Geri Jenkins, a registered nurse at the UCSD and a CNA negotiator. Some nurses at UCSD, she said, will receive as much as a 32 percent raise during the life of the contract.
RNs at UCSD will make as much as $37.31 per hour under the new contract. RNs at UCLA will earn as much as $42.33, making them the highest paid RNs in Southern California, the CNA said.
Now, some of you can continue to call this a "Trojan news item" or any other moniker which will allow you to continue your persecuted state of mind. But sometime, somewhere, the pendelum for nurses is going to reverse. WHy not believe this was the first shudder? After all, solidarity among California nurses made it possible!
(NOTE: Nothing is here resembling advertising and no reference to another web site which broke the story originally. I hope links to newspapers aren't advertising)
Thank you!confused:Last edit by The Mattster on Jul 6, '02
Jul 6, '02Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 2Oh, I almost forgot...
To the writer who criticized BK for calling the new salaries at UC San Francisco as "nearly six figures."
Count the digits: $99,000. Can it come any closer?
Why in God's name would such an upswing in nurse pay -- not matter where it is experienced -- upset anyone? With luck and continued solidarity, the trend will leave the Golden State and trac completely across the USA!!!:rollLast edit by The Mattster on Jul 6, '02
Jul 6, '02Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 15Jt is on the money with her comments and it still comes down to unity. If all the RNs stood together as a united group there would be change all over the country. The California nurses stood together and got a good raise in salary, think if we all did that. The best tactic the hospital has is to "divide and conquer." If they can keep us eating our young and fighting amongst ourselves, then they continue to have the upper hand. The hospitals play on nurses' emotions by saying "Oh, but you're deserting the patients, that's not why you went into nursing. It's a noble profession wanting to help people." My feeling is that is a two way street. Yes, I want to take care of my patients but the hospital, as a community based non-profit institution, also has a responsibility to give good patient care, either with competent, educated nurses, or good working conditions, or just plain access to the facilities. So when a hospital forces its' nurses out on strike or uses up whatever money there is on expensive perks for the administration or consultant groups, they are also deserting the patients in favor of profit and gain and the public has the right to know that too during a strike.
Jul 6, '02Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 385I don't think anyone begrudges them the nearly 6 figure salaries at all. Some of us, like me, just felt the story was incomplete. I would like to know what the pay scale is like from new grad on up, that's all. I know from experience our gov't liked to blast about the top of our pay scale being about 22$US, but he failed to mention that it took nine years to be making the top wage and there were other conditions attached to it.
Jul 6, '02Joined: May '02; Posts: 1,022; Likes: 64Mattster, I think what the Union in California is doing is fabulous! I can only hope it does spread around the country. I take issue with suits like where I work saying in the local media that nurses can make 6 figure salaries and leaves out that that is for CRNA's or for nurses who work 6 12's a week which is simply unsafe! I think the ratios are wonderful and I hop that the stories about them being watered down "due to the shortage" are untrue. I think all bedisde nurses should amke a minimum of 100,000 per year. Cut down on the salaries and perks of the suits and streamline the administrative positions like they ahve done to hospital staff positions and you have the money to do it.
Jul 6, '02Occupation: Worrywort Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 1,349; Likes: 16$99,000 a year is $51.56 per hour based on a (no way in hail) 40 work week.
The article in question did not state if the "up to $47/hr" was for an RN across the board or just in say ICU or what.
An RN in this scenario would have to be currently at $39/hr + in order for a 19% raise over however many years to approach $47/hr!
So to say that these figures represent an "average",when sooo much of the story is missing,is........................patronizing!
Did you get that?
I want to be clear.
I don't live in frigging California,I'm not a nurse from California,I didn't read the CNA story and I've heard enough suits promise to make nurses some kind of celebrity with a loophole in it that strangles morale like a hangman's noose when assumptions are made!!
Good for the California nurses(that were smart enough to join a union) and the apparent increase but what I have read contradicts itself.
and that, I have seen before.
Did you notice that the numbers you quoted elaborated even more than the article I was commenting on and still didn't turn the Trojan horse into a fruit basket?
Next headline reads:"LPN hires on the rise at California hospitals"
Ok, so all that grandstanding aside,I know that the new contract is an improvement,but how much of what that statement says applies to the entire picture? You have to admit that it's mighty difficult to go from wherever nurses are across the board in pay to $51.56/hr and just take it for gospel........................right?
Jul 6, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 2,662; Likes: 46Whats wrong with RNs earning "6 figures"?? We already have $100,000/yr RNs in NYC. Our starting salaries for ADN New Grads in New York State Nurses Assoc union hospitals begin at $60,000/yr plus. And we are paid additionally for degrees, specialty certifications, and every year of RN experience. In NYC, experineced staff RNs here & in some of our suburbs are making $100,000/yr in some places & close to it in many others & thats without overtime. Is shouldnt be hard to believe that bedside nurses can & should be earning at least that much in straight salary. But then you have nurses in the Heartland saying but "Im happy with my $16/hr salary - cost of living isnt so bad here." Well it is here, so we'll keep the $100,000 thank you.
Note that on the East & West Coasts, its Unionized RNs who are making the $100,000/yr.
hint hint.Last edit by -jt on Jul 6, '02
Jul 6, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 2,662; Likes: 46Mattster, I have no idea what youre talking about when you mention me as "a cynic shooting down good news". lol. You must have my posts confused with someone elses. Although I hold a California RN license & work in the UC system every year, I did not make one reference to salaries in California or that news article - except to support the $100,000 RN. Nor did I make one derogatory comment about nurses in that state, their unions, or their struggle. So I dont know what you could be referring to by labeling me with that title. My posts in this thread have been explaining about strikes in general, about unionized nurses who do what they have to do when pushed to the wall, & the improvements they gain when they do.
Maybe you mistake me for some other 'cynic'.Last edit by -jt on Jul 6, '02