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  1. by   RNMS
    How we can all do our part:

    http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=10567
  2. by   blue note
    Quote from RNMS
    LPACTV: A Preview of Obama's Nazi 'Reform'
    LPACTV: Obama's First 100 Days: A Case For Impeachment?
    LPACTV: Not So fast, President Hitler (with a pic of Obama)
    LPACTV: After All, the British Created Hitler

    And that is relevant, how?
  3. by   VivaLasViejas
    Whooeeee, I didn't even know that nut job was still around...........thought he'd long since gone to that great political convention in the sky.
  4. by   RNMS
    Here's some more "nutjobs" speaking about the "plan":

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/9...d_nurses_union
  5. by   herring_RN
    Quote from RNMS
    Here's some more "nutjobs" speaking about the "plan":

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/9...d_nurses_union
    Thank you.

    Listen and/or read and make up your mind.
  6. by   blue note
    Quote from RNMS
    Here's some more "nutjobs" speaking about the "plan":

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/9...d_nurses_union
    If you have an opinion, have the balls to express it. Deliberately posting cryptic links, trying to trick people into going to web sites run by whackos who equate Obama with Hitler, is troll-like behavior.

    Thanks for the link though - people can read and decide for themselves who the real nutjobs are.
  7. by   blue note
    Posting here as it is related:
    Health Care Overhaul Opponents Use Selective Stats
    Source: NPR

    It's become one of the most commonly cited statistics by opponents of the health overhaul being put together by Democrats in Congress: Creating a new government-run public health insurance plan would result in 119 million people losing their private insurance.

    Here was Senate Finance Committee ranking Republican Charles Grassley on MSNBC just Tuesday: "My objection to the public option is based upon the Lewin think tank ... study that says 119 million people will opt out of private health insurance."

    "According to a recent study, a new public plan would cause almost 120 million Americans to lose their private coverage," echoed Sen. Orrin Hatch.

    But is it really true? Yes and no.

    "The number of 119 million is absolutely correct," says John Sheils, senior vice president of the Lewin Group, a number-crunching consulting group owned by Ingenix, which is a subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group.

    But that number hardly represents the entirety of the report Sheils and colleague Randy Haught put out in April. The point of the study was to show that the number of people who would eventually join a government-sponsored public insurance plan would vary-dramatically-depending on how that plan is designed.

    If the public plan is open to everyone and pays health care providers rates similar to those paid by the government-run Medicare program, which are lower than most private insurers pay, "you'd have a lower premium level and thus [more] people go into it," says Sheils.

    But if the public plan is limited to fewer people (perhaps only those in small businesses and individuals), or if the plan pays higher rates to doctors and hospitals, fewer people would join, both because fewer would be allowed and because the plan would be less financially attractive. According to the study, the number of people dropping private coverage could be as low as 10.4 million.
  8. by   CRNA2007
    Wouldn't their time be better served getting a job instead of demanding handouts and freebies?



    Quote from herring_RN
    Thousands plan to be in the streets all summer in support os a single payer system:
  9. by   herring_RN
    Quote from CRNA2007
    Wouldn't their time be better served getting a job instead of demanding handouts and freebies?
    Silly, people with jobs use the streets too.
    Direct care RNs who have jobs plan to be in the streets on their vacation and days off.

    As we have been doing for years. Many nurses are social activists. Nurses lead the struggle for womens vote




  10. by   CRNA2007
    Looks like typical left wing union activity to me.



    Quote from herring_RN
    Silly, people with jobs use the streets too.
    Direct care RNs who have jobs plan to be in the streets on their vacation and days off.

    As we have been doing for years. Many nurses are social activists. Nurses lead the struggle for womens vote




  11. by   hillarypeace2006
    [quote=funnypharm;3659558]Looks like we will be getting that 25% VAT (value added tax) sooner than we thought. Every time a commodity moves it will be taxed. The problem is that Countries that have a VAT don't have the IRS. Also, they do not have 30% of their country with or close to Metabolic Syndrome aka Obese. We will be crushed by this. We are not the Skinny Swiss or the super healthy Japanese. We will need at least a 25% VAT just to touch this.

    Nurses will also take an estimated 25% pay cut as well. (You do the math)

    quote]

    You are wrong on your first point. Countries with a VAT do have something very similar to the IRS. And yes, we will have to pay for this somehow.
  12. by   CRNA2007
    We have to pay for this somehow? I'll tell you how it's going to be paid for on the backs of your kids and grand kids does that make you sleep better at night?



    [quote=hillarypeace2006;3680184]
    Quote from funnypharm
    Looks like we will be getting that 25% VAT (value added tax) sooner than we thought. Every time a commodity moves it will be taxed. The problem is that Countries that have a VAT don't have the IRS. Also, they do not have 30% of their country with or close to Metabolic Syndrome aka Obese. We will be crushed by this. We are not the Skinny Swiss or the super healthy Japanese. We will need at least a 25% VAT just to touch this.

    Nurses will also take an estimated 25% pay cut as well. (You do the math)

    quote]

    You are wrong on your first point. Countries with a VAT do have something very similar to the IRS. And yes, we will have to pay for this somehow.
  13. by   hillarypeace2006
    [quote=CRNA2007;3680615]We have to pay for this somehow? I'll tell you how it's going to be paid for on the backs of your kids and grand kids does that make you sleep better at night?

    Thats ok with me. Im fine with the taxation especially if we get a public health option. Nurses need to be the front runners on shaping this policy instead of B&M'in. We could carve a unique role in this system as promoters of wellness. I am so into wellness and it's the key to a healthy society and it does cos..certainly not more than is being stuck to us in our now super-padded cost, do I want to finance something that does not result in death and destruction of another nation state-absofreekinlutely!
    Last edit by hillarypeace2006 on Jun 12, '09

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