Obama's health plan takes shape

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If Congress were to take a vote on a health reform bill today, Democrats and Republicans would find a surprising level of agreement-so much so that the broad outlines of a consensus plan already are taking shape.

Sick or healthy, rich or poor, all Americans would be guaranteed access to health insurance.

In fact, they'd probably be required to purchase it-perhaps through mandates in the law that would include stiff tax penalties for anyone who tried to opt out.

Newly created insurance marketplaces would make finding a plan as easy as shopping for cheap airfare. People could keep their coverage, even if they switched jobs. And they might be able to choose between private insurers and a government-backed plan.

But here's the catch-none of this would come free, with the wealthiest Americans likely to face higher taxes to help pay for coverage for all.

It's hard to believe that only three months ago, health care advocates worried that President Barack Obama would drop the health reform issue from his first-year agenda. Now, with an August deadline to pass a bill, a compromise that once seemed unimaginable is considered quite possible, both sides say.

ukrninusa -- bush is not my favorite president, but he is not the demon that many cast him to be. after kuwait was invaded by hussein, iraq was not to develop nukes. but hussein thumbed his nose at the un verifiers for years. i've been curious whether hussein floated the wmd rumor himself, just to continue the cat-&-mouse game with the un. probably gave him some jollies. irregardless of what eventually transpired, don't you reckon he was on track to lob a nuke at israel? remember the scuds? we can debate the 'what if's' forever -- now the situation is what it is. the us has been cast in the role of world cop for decades - right or wrong - thru many presidencies. that is what we do, and i think what other countries (like in europe) expect us to do.

the federal deficit was escalated by bush, partly by war and partly by the foolish fall '08 mortgage/banking 'bailout'. that is a real shame.

i agree that the us is facing bankruptcy. so why do we continue to spend so frivolously now? doesn't make sense to me.

and because we don't have money to burn, why does hr 3200 include so many social engineering & non-capitalistic aspects (non-english promotion, union promotion, cure-all for racial & ethnic disparities, a public option that will slowly kill pvt insurance, home visitations)? and cbo says it won't curb cost. this bill falls on the heels of of the feds stepping into the auto & banking industry, porky 'crisis' stimulus spending, etc, etc.

it isn't logical for a govt with no money to spend more. we cannot afford to implement a new welfare program. the absurdity of what is being promoted has middle-class americans wondering 'what in sam hill is the fed's agenda??'

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Don't forget his tax cut to the rich -strange to cut taxes in a time of war, don't you think.

I don't believe that reforming healthcare to cover all americans is frivolous or a welfare program

-we cannot compete with other developed countries in a global market when companies like GM are spending more on healthcare than they do on steel

-50% of bankruptcies are due to medical debt

-insurance premiums are set to double over the next 10 years

-decent, hardworking people with no employer coverage cannot afford to buy private insurance due to age, pre-existing conditions and/or exorbitant premiums

-those with insurance face the prospect of care denials, rescission of coverage when they get sick and premiums that rise every year

-healthcare costs are at least twice as high in USA as in other developed countries with way poorer outcomes

-Obama has pledged to make healthcare reform deficit neutral

Its absurd not to reform healthcare - achieving a healthy economy will depend on it.

I'm curious to know where all the paranoia about the government comes from -anyone care to enlighten me?

"By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise." - Adolph Hitler

"Mankind is divided into rich and poor, into property owners and exploited; and to abstract oneself from this fundamental division; and from the antagonism between poor and rich means abstracting oneself from fundamental facts." - Joseph Stalin

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. "-Vladimir Lenin

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

You & I (& most Americans) agree there should be health care cost reform. As you say, it contributes to bankruptcies, it is escalating, etc. You & I disagree that it should be the US government to rectify the problem.

There is 'no free lunch', health care is costly. Having Big Brother government introduce another 'public option' (beyond Medicare/-aid, SCHIP, & Social Security) only fosters the entitlement sentiment that is viral in our country right now. The Fed is not a Saviour. It will not reduce cost.

Focus on the root causes of the problem -- cap malpractice claims, allow health insurance beyond state lines to increase competition, disallow health care to illegals, educate patients on end-of-life decisions, etc.

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You & I (& most Americans) agree there should be health care cost reform. As you say, it contributes to bankruptcies, it is escalating, etc. You & I disagree that it should be the US government to rectify the problem.

There is 'no free lunch', health care is costly. Having Big Brother government introduce another 'public option' (beyond Medicare/-aid, SCHIP, & Social Security) only fosters the entitlement sentiment that is viral in our country right now. The Fed is not a Saviour. It will not reduce cost.

Focus on the root causes of the problem -- cap malpractice claims, allow health insurance beyond state lines to increase competition, disallow health care to illegals, educate patients on end-of-life decisions, etc.

If the US is spending 721 billion for only Medicare and Medicaid to cover 94 million people, then the cost to cover 297 million is 2.28 Trillion per year, which means an increase of 1.559 Trillion PER YEAR to the US budget, and that is to provide health care to all Americans under a single payer plan. Keep in mind that this 2.28 Trillion would cover everybody and replace medicaid/medicare at the same level that medicare/medicaid provide coverage.

As soon as the Health Bill takes effect, you can NO longer purchase private health insurance. So if you leave, change, or quit your job, you will not get new private coverage with a new employer, because you can't purchase private health care once the Health Bill takes effect. The President said you will keep your coverage and Doctor if you want and this is true. BUT, if you change jobs (each person usually has 5 careers in their lifetime), you lose your coverage because of finances, move to another state, or do anything that causes you to lose coverage, then you are stuck with only the Public option.

Does it now make sense why the democrats don't want inter-state competition or mandating coverage to all Americans and removing the employers from the equation? With interstate competition, if you move, you would still keep your coverage, if you owned your health care instead of the employer you would always have coverage, employed or not. Instead, by keeping the rules as they are, but bringing in new rules, legislative proponents for the bill guarantee that all private health care will cease to exist within 10 years with the public option as the only option. Good luck on keeping your coverage and your Doctor under those conditions.

Why 10 years? Because once the insurance companies can't sign up new members under the mandate, their paying clientele will either slowly die off, move out of state, lose their jobs, and the insurance company will go out of business because it can't keep its insurance pool deep enough with new clients to supplement sick peoples care. The absolute biggest companies are predicted to fail within 8 - 10 years with no new clientele to keep them in business. Smaller companies will be gone within 5 years. One last note: that additional 1.559 Trillion/yr cost would require ALL 200 Million Working Americans making 24,000/yr or more to pay a minimum 14% Federal income tax (Health tax) just to get BASIC coverage as exists in Medicare/Medicaid and pay each year's cost.

Is the left willing to pay this for single payer national health care? If you say yes, please realize the "Rich" (top 5%), can't afford the entire cost, but the poor and middle chipping in a fair share, then costs could be met. Are you willing to force ALL Americans to pay, or just the rich? If you want only the Rich, then your Single Payer Health Care will fail. If you want the middle and poor to chip in also and not just the "rich", then you have a chance for national health care.

Good luck convincing the remaining 95% of the country to pony up more dough.

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