Nurses Promoting COVID Misinformation

MunoRN, RN · Oct 14, 2021

4 hours ago, Gooday said:

I'm not elevating anything, sharing a package insert is simply sharing information. You are the one trying to push an agenda. You want to force people to agree with you and punish them if they share information that disagrees with your agenda or with you even if that information is factual and from the manufacturers. You want everyone to submit to what you think they should do. It's each persons right to decide based on the facts what they want to do with their body, Autonomy. You may not agree and that's okay, I honor your decision, but you really need to stop trying to intimidate people into agreeing with you.

You're misrepresenting what you initially said, if you're rescinding your initial claim then it might help to plainly state that, but it wasn't simply quoting from the package insert.

From your initial statement:

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Real science takes time. Prolonged use of Protonix can lead to C-diff, yet every senior home in the country uses it. We did not know it could lead to C-diff until it had been used for years. That's why I think all the name-calling needs to stop. Using the scientific method requires time. A lot of people keep making matter-of-fact statements about this vaccine. We were told that we needed 1 shot then 2, now we need a booster and some scientists are saying we might need yearly shots like the flu. They just don't know.

You suggested that what we know about the vaccine (that it provides far more benefit than risk) may be false because scientists initially thought that the vaccine would provide enduring protection without the need for boosters, when this was never part of our understanding of Covid vaccines.

Guest219794 · Oct 14, 2021

On 10/14/2021 at 5:08 PM, macawake said:

Other posters have already responded but I’ll chime in anyway.

I’m European and I don’t know if your medication and vaccine package inserts are different then ours, but I doubt it. They do not contain ”both the positives and the negatives”. The package insert will have information like what the drug or vaccine contains, what it is approved to treat or prevent, what dose and administration route etc. and side effects and the frequency they occur at. It won’t say that the risk of getting seriously sick, not being cured or dying from x disease is y if you take the drug or vaccine as prescribed, and x if you don’t.

But WE DO HAVE AN AGENDA! Our agenda is to promote public health. We strive for optimal health for our individual patients and society at large. I’m not sure what you mean when you use the word ”push”, but if it’s a synonym for promote, then heck yes! We should.

I don’t know if you are misinformed or if you are just being rude. None of us hide facts! And we’re at least as honest as you are. I haven’t seen a single poster who promotes vaccines try to hide side effects. We frequently discuss them. The available data clearly shows that on a population level a Covid infection poses a much greater risk than vaccines, and that getting people vaccinated saves many lives.

This is something that’s not in the package insert but that I think is worth explaining to patients.

Data indicates that since Delta became the dominant strain in the US for every vaccinated individual?

Who has died in the US?

This many unvaccinated individuals have also died

??

Or….

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Isn’t it rather obvious why healthcare professionals promote vaccination?

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2282

The job of the healthcare provider is simply to provide facts and let the person decide. There needs to be context. It is actually the job of the health care provider to help interpret those facts.

Helping people understand that the information they get from FOX does not, in fact have the value that information The Society of Critical Care Medicine has.

Providing simply the facts with no interpretation to folks who lack the training or ability to interpret the information is negligent.

macawake, MSN · Oct 14, 2021

4 minutes ago, hherrn said:

The job of the healthcare provider is simply to provide facts and let the person decide. There needs to be context. It is actually the job of the health care provider to help interpret those facts.

Helping people understand that the information they get from FOX does not, infact have the value that information The Society of Critical Care Medicine has.

Providing simply the facts with no interpretation to folks who lack the training or ability to interpret the information is negligent.

Oh, nooo! hhern, you’re missing some of my squares ? I pressed save too soon.

But I agree with everything you just wrote ??

AreYouReallySure · Apr 15, 2022

On 10/6/2021 at 4:15 PM, jeannepaul said:

I disagree

I agree that I disagree.
Anecdotal - sure, not the best source...
yet a colleague of mine looks after the SARS-Cov-2 patients for the entire hospital they work in. Inpatient & outpatient.
Apparently the patients whom are vaccinated are suffering/experiencing much greater complaints of severity in their symptoms and more treatment interventions than the those unvaccinated. The former are needing more treatment than the latter. Very strange.
They are documenting this phenomenon and hopefully data will be shared in due course sometime in the future.
An interesting observation none-the-less.

kind regards

MaxAttack, BSN, RN · Apr 15, 2022

1 hour ago, AreYouReallySure said:

I agree that I disagree.
Anecdotal - sure, not the best source...
yet a colleague of mine looks after the SARS-Cov-2 patients for the entire hospital they work in. Inpatient & outpatient.
Apparently the patients whom are vaccinated are suffering/experiencing much greater complaints of severity in their symptoms and more treatment interventions than the those unvaccinated. The former are needing more treatment than the latter. Very strange.
They are documenting this phenomenon and hopefully data will be shared in due course sometime in the future.
An interesting observation none-the-less.

kind regards

You resurrected a dead thread from 2021 for this?

How many patients are we talking here? This really isn't a huge deal if we're talking about a rural hospital with 5 patients. What's the percentage of vaccinated patients? Maybe 90% of the population was vaccinated so the majority of patients seen would naturally be breakthrough infections. What's the makeup of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated patient population? Could it be that the vaccinated patients are older with more comorbidities than the younger unvaccinated ones?

I could do this for hours. Without context there's really nothing strange or noteworthy about this. This is the problem with not only secondhand information but vastly incomplete information at that. This is why we do studies and control for variables.

Guests · Apr 15, 2022

On 10/14/2021 at 3:54 PM, Guest219794 said:

The job of the healthcare provider is simply to provide facts and let the person decide. There needs to be context. It is actually the job of the health care provider to help interpret those facts.

Helping people understand that the information they get from FOX does not, infact have the value that information The Society of Critical Care Medicine has.

Providing simply the facts with no interpretation to folks who lack the training or ability to interpret the information is negligent.

Health professionals also provide recommendations for the lay public.

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 15, 2022

3 hours ago, AreYouReallySure said:

Apparently the patients whom are vaccinated are suffering/experiencing much greater complaints of severity in their symptoms and more treatment interventions than the those unvaccinated. The former are needing more treatment than the latter. Very strange.

For someone who specialises in research why are you using the word "apparently"? If it's research then there is no apparently, there either is, or is not. Again as has been said why are you resurrecting a thread from 2021 with information that is just not proven from the rest of the world.

3 hours ago, AreYouReallySure said:

They are documenting this phenomenon and hopefully data will be shared in due course sometime in the future.

Yeah... Hopefully... in due course... sometime... future. So never then because it's bunk.

JKL33 · Apr 17, 2022

On 4/15/2022 at 7:29 AM, AreYouReallySure said:

Apparently the patients whom are vaccinated are suffering/experiencing much greater complaints of severity in their symptoms and more treatment interventions than the those unvaccinated. The former are needing more treatment than the latter.

?

And here I was thinking of writing a post about my interesting observations in primary care regarding the kind of things we are dealing with related to unvaccinated people who had covid which was "nothing but a bad cold" a couple of times and their subsequent situations and health changes (aka covid sequelae), which range from long-term annoyances all the way to lungs or even heart basically being wrecked. A noticeable number are certainly having problems that will generate case reports and researchers who decide to follow just like there now adults suspected of having sequelae from Kawasaki disease who have been studied for problems definitely not typical for their age/health situation.

But it sounds like you really have the scoop.

AreYouReallySure · Apr 21, 2022

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Nah JKL, ?I am just repeating what my colleague had said. Had just found it interesting they would make "that" specific observation of all observations that was possible, & it was the main one they had noticed.
I'm not here to convince anyone of anything.
Hardly have a scoop, and you should perhaps write a post of your interesting observations. Makes for good reading and I look forward to your post. Would you mind pm'ing me so I can view your post - I probably will never be able to find it otherwise as per reason below.

In response to Grumpy's & Max's fine Q?,
I was just just looking around this forum, hardly ever here, had no idea the thread/post was from last year & just stumbled upon it and thought I would add what I thought was interesting. ROFL, it was near abouts Easter time and am quite chuffed with good humour someone chose to use the word Resurrection...If the thread was so old, I am surprised with a nobody as myself posting, anyone had somehow managed to notice that it was posted...perhaps everyone also stumbled upon it like I had with the original reply I made....I have no idea, just guessing. Mostly I find social media places full of social misdemeanors and high-stakes casino or Alpha type personality egos competing for airtime and so, I generally avoid them like the plague, especially FaceCrap and the like. Never had a FaceCrap account. Far too many tangential thoughts leading people around the garden path and reminds me of Mental Health patients revolving doors for those stuck in their internal and external expression of their tangential life's theme/programme.
Life is too short to spend one's life around people whom are not friends collegial or friendly.
Just here for the banter - a friendly chat, like the good ol' days of chatting with real life human beings before the days of computerised miscommunications.

re:- "Yeah... Hopefully... in due course... sometime... future. So never then because it's bunk." Well I am not in charge of the data collection etc, it belongs to the State Health authorities - and they are very unforthcoming in dissemination of such data. The same as for gaining access to the data collected... Or any data for that matter.?‍♂️

"Apparently" is a word that ensures that the reader knows the comment is not a confirmed fact. No hidden agenda nor hidden manipulative communication. Very unambiguous. Very Concise.
I was not writing a Journal submission. This was clear, I had thought, in my own minds eye. Just in the sharing of a colleague's clinical observation that was given to me during a banter session... and was just interested in hearing the experiences of other colleague's from other areas/locations.

Not everyone here within this allnurses.com community of professionals is living and working within the centre of the universe, wherever that be.

A box of chocolates to all.

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 21, 2022

33 minutes ago, AreYouReallySure said:

was just interested in hearing the experiences of other colleague's from other areas/locations.

But you didn't make that clear. What you wrote was very easily interpret-able as antivaxx rhetoric. It is not borne out by what is happening in the rest of the world.

33 minutes ago, AreYouReallySure said:

Not everyone here within this allnurses.com community of professionals is living and working within the centre of the universe, wherever that be.

I think you will find that the center of the universe is wherever I am. (From my point of view) ????

MaxAttack, BSN, RN · Apr 21, 2022

1 hour ago, AreYouReallySure said:

If the thread was so old, I am surprised with a nobody as myself posting, anyone had somehow managed to notice that it was posted.

Notifications. Top right. ?

Lots of tangential thoughts for someone that apparently (like what I did there?) doesn't like social media because of tangential thoughts. I'll be waiting for my chocolates.

AreYouReallySure · Jun 7, 2022

Thanks Max,
Now I know how alerts are found.
Yes, tangents delivered on purpose as I am sure you suspected.
Anyway, nothing new on here and haven't seen any posts by JKL discussing the opposite of what was advised to me.
Oh well.
Catch you later.