Nurse Practitioner Contract Negotiation

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Hi everyone,

I have recently passed my AANP exam and I have been offered a job working for a doctor who I have the utmost respect for, and who I have worked alongside for years in the acute care setting. He emailed me a contract that he wants me to consider. I am posting this here to hopefully get advice, guidance, and wisdom from those who have been in similar situations, and understand the value of what I can bring to the table better than I do. I will try to keep the details direct and to the point, but if I leave any pertinent information out, please point it out and I will reply.

Background:

I will be joining a small group consisting of the physician and another NP. am a FNP by trade and the job offer is primarily in the acute care setting, where I will see patients on a general medical floor and a telemetry floor. Eventually, I may see "our" patients in the ICU, but there are usually intensivists there. The other NP primarily does nursing homes, rehabs, and home care, but she will be in the hospital once a week.

The physician is a nephrologist, and we work for a small community hospital in the Northeast. He usually sees the most patients, due to the fact that the family doctors in the community have a deal with him where they admit their patients under his care, instead of the not-so-reliable hospitalist group. Therefore we manage the total care of the patients (H+P's and medicine follow-ups) as well as all of the renal consults.

The Contract: The contract has headings called "Defined Work" and "Non-Defined Work." The Defined Work heading states that I will be rounding on patients, doing notes, and taking calls for the hospitalized patients 4 days a week. I will also have to be on-call for 2 nights a week, every 3rd weekend, and 2 holidays per year. Additionally, the contract states that I must see at least 18 patients per day in the hospital (I'm not sure what that means because I have to see all of the patients we have in the hospital, whether it is 18, less than 18, or more than 18). It further states that I am responsible for doing dialysis rounds on 3 shifts of dialysis patients at the dialysis center (2 miles from the hospital).

The "Non-Defined Work" is the work I do that is not in the hospital. This includes the patients I would see in the nursing home, subacute rehab, assisted living center, and home (yes we do home visits too via the transitional care program). Adding this to my schedule will now mean I am working 2 more days a week in addition to the 4 days I'm in the hospital.

Compensation:

Here are the compensation details of the contract:

Base salary: $80,000/year - and compensation will be bi-weekly

Base salary after 1 year of employment = $85,000/year

Base salary after 2 years of employment =$90,000/year

I must see 18 patients in the hospital. For each patient I see over 18, the incentive is $25/patient

I will receive 60 percent of the collections for the Non-Defined Work I do (nursing homes, rehabs, home visits, etc)

Employer will contribute 50% of cost towards my health insurance plan per year.

3 weeks paid vacation per year.

Employer will pay the cost of my hospital dues, DEA registration, , professional licensure and certification fees, and $500 towards CME's.

Negotiation Questions:

Is this acceptable to anyone? I would like to negotiate for a higher base salary as I feel $80k/year for 4 days a week in the hospital seems low...especially if these pay-scale sites for NP hospitalists are accurate. Also, N.J. usually has higher salaries compared to the rest of the U.S. I was making really close to $80k as an RN working 3 days a week and my per-diem job on the 4th day. I would also like a 401k with match, and 80% towards my health insurance plan (i'm a single male with no kids). And $25 incentive pay for each patient over 18 seems low as well. I know I could make a lot of money if I work 6 days a week doing 4 days in the hospital and the other 2 in the nursing homes, rehabs, home visits, dialysis rounds, etc....but, at the same time, I don't want to burn myself out early. I'd like some work-life balance.

Other Thoughts:

We would be a very small group so I can't say I don't want to do the "Non-Defined Work," because I need to share that responsibility. I always liked the idea of a 60/40 split too, but he told me that it is hard to make that work in the acute care setting and that's why he would rather do a salary.

I appreciate any and all input on this matter as I'd like to go in to the negotiation meeting prepared and with a better understanding of the value of the nurse practitioner than I have now.

I do not see this as an acceptable contract. The $80, 000 seems very low, for the hours you will be putting in, which will probably be 60 to 70 based on the expectations in the contract at 60 hours a week (which will be a consistent amount of work week you are making only $25.00 and hour. You will have to provide your own at probably $1200 to $1800 a year. Is there profit sharing? You are being low balled

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
you are making only $25.00 and hour. You will have to provide your own

LOVE this!!!! As unbelievable as it probably sounds to TSWaller there are actually NPs who do not think to calculate their hourly rate. I'm not just blowing steam I have personally had this conversation more than once with local NPs and in fact twice with the same person.

Specializes in Vascular Neurology and Neurocritical Care.

I practice in PA and NJ. $80,000 is WAY TOO LOW. Hell should freeze over before you take that salary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Based on a 40 hour work week that comes out to only $38 per hour and I will tell you from a manager's perspective that he is low balling you. I can name several institutions in your area paying way better than that.

$105-110,000 is what you should be going for all that responsibility. For experienced NPs, that is too cheap, but you are a new grad, so I think the 105ish area is fair for now. If he cannot offer you that, there are plenty of other places that will. You can PM if you like.

In fact, you should PM me.

Is 18 a lot of patients? Not being smart just asking. In psych inpatient providers have anywhere between 10-20 depending on the contract.

IP rounds 18 would be a lot for me. It takes time to look up all the notes, labs, X-rays and read other consults then examine the patient. I am not as quick as others and it can take me 30min to an hour on one patient. The following day is much quicker.

In clinic is a different story.

I practice in PA and NJ. $80,000 is WAY TOO LOW. Hell should freeze over before you take that salary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Based on a 40 hour work week that comes out to only $38 per hour and I will tell you from a manager's perspective that he is low balling you. I can name several institutions in your area paying way better than that.

$105-110,000 is what you should be going for all that responsibility. For experienced NPs, that is too cheap, but you are a new grad, so I think the 105ish area is fair for now. If he cannot offer you that, there are plenty of other places that will. You can PM if you like.

In fact, you should PM me.

Wow. After doing a little research myself (I'm not from the NJ area) I want to second this. It appears the average NP salary is well over 100,000. You're a new grad so you should expect slightly less than average but 20-30,000 less than the mean salary in any given area is offensive. I hope you're able to negotiate it up. Keep us posted!

Specializes in Hospital medicine; NP precepting; staff education.
LOVE this!!!! As unbelievable as it probably sounds to TSWaller there are actually NPs who do not think to calculate their hourly rate. I'm not just blowing steam I have personally had this conversation more than once with local NPs and in fact twice with the same person.

Yup.

My contract actually did this for me (but it would have been easy to do on my own.) $60/hr and a required hour investment a month.

Very nice indeed.

I'm a new grad FNP and have been interviewing. I live in Austin, Texas and have been presented with the following offers:

At a retail clinic $93k, $5000 per year in tuition reimbursement for student loan payment, $1500 per year CME, three weeks PTO, one week for CME. Another company where I would round at nursing home started new NP at 104K $2000 for CME and 4 weeks PTO. I also was offered a job at an pain management clinic for $110 and similar benefits. All of the jobs included reduce costs for health insurance and matching 401(k). As a new NP it is challenging to know if what is being offered is acceptable without asking our peers for advice. Hopefully you can reach out to a few in your area who will give you guided advice. Nurse practitioners are abundant in my area and if I where to relocate to Dallas or Houston I would expect to make 120k per year. One word of advice is I was offered all of those positions pretty early on and they get filled very quickly. I would definitely renegotiate the salary and the conditions as some of the other members have expressed and if you can come to agreements I would take the job.

Specializes in Adult Gero NP/ PMHNP.

Hi,

The salary this person is offering is WAY TOO LOW for your area. I am in NYC, passed my AANP in August, and started working in a rehab facility seeing 15 patients a day for 125K Base, PLUS 30 PTO's, CME and DEA reimbursement. Please do more research and do not take up this offer!

OP - any updates? Were you able to negotiate any improvements?

Update:

Thank you to everyone for the replies. I read each one of them and I am working on my counter-offer.

I would just like to clear up a few things that should be considered in this offer.

1) This is a small community hospital. I will not see 18 patients everyday. In fact, there will be a lot of days where I only see 8, 10, 14, etc. patients. However, because I am a novice NP, I expect to be putting in some long hours in the beginning until I get over the learning curve.

2) The job is 4 days a week, but I am not required to stay in the hospital. If I arrive at 5 AM, round early, and get all my documentation done, I have the freedom to leave when I want. I can use that time to do additional work, such as round on nursing home patients (and take off that 5th day). I do have to come back to the hospital for a new admit under my service though. I also have to be on call 2 days a week and work every 3rd weekend.

3) I will not be managing dialysis patients on the floor. He will still be there to do those patients. I will only be seeing patients under our service that are admitted to med/surg and telemetry. I will not be covering the ICU.

4) The $80,000/year was derived from a 5-day a week starting salary working in the hospital at $100k/year. However, I am only there 4 days. The 'non-defined' work is a 60/40 split on the 5th day, where I will be covering the local nursing homes in the area. This work can be done quickly and I should make $45-50k/year doing it. So realistically I will probably make $120k/year my first year working 5 days a week (some long, some shorter).

This is a small group (1 physician and 1 nurse practitioner), and the business model is still being discussed/developed. I know both members in the group and have a good relationship with them. I would still like to counter the base salary for the hospital though, as I think it is still a bit low. I consider the nursing home extra, and whatever money I make doing that just benefits the collaborating MD anyway.

I had a friend who use to cover nursing homes one day a week and take call at nights and it drove her mad all the dumb calls at 2am from the nursing home. She would round in the place on Thursdays for less than an hours, but take call on weekends and she hardly ever made it through a night without a few calls. Mind you these were very stable nursing home patients. The nurses were well not the sharpest you would find.

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Just took a call from a dialysis clinic becuz one of my pts has a K+ of 8.2 which was a repeat after I Rx'd with kayexalate.

The NH "nurses" (and I use this term loosely in this situation) said "his blood sugar was too low so he HAD to have OJ!" And I get these calls daily from 0500-1900!!!

Don't know how nice or polite I would be at 0200! Have educated until literally I have gone to the NH to do education and provide EBP and still yep...they give dialysis pts OJ!

NH will suck the life out of you!

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