NP w/no desire for RN?

Specialties NP Nursing Q/A

Well, not so much NO desire...but are there any NP's out there that wanted to become (and had their sights set on being an NP from day 1) an NP with no real 'drive' to be an RN first? My cousin is finishing up her RN-MSN program and never really wanted to become an RN, but she really wanted to become an NP, so she went the RN route to become an NP (which I know you have to do).

I know this is somewhat rare, but wondering are there any other NP's out there that looked at RN as kinda pre-NP school/clinical stuff in order to become an NP? Like, they may not be real thrilled with what they are doing (RN) but they know they have to do it in order to become an NP. Keep in mind I'm not saying you would hate being an RN or hate RN's or anything to that affect, but you dream has been to become an NP and RN school/work is a sort of necessary 'not the most enthusiastic' hurdle?

Hello, all,

It does not matter what we think. What matters is what Pinoy thinks. It is his decision and being negative is not being informative at all. Presenting the information and explaining it by showing the pro and cons would be more effective than any negativity. Therefore, it really does not help by being negativw and showing your opinion without fact.

In conclusion, all we can do is to wait and see where Pinoy goes with his choices in a profression that is well respected by patients, nurses and in the medical community. We all may choose different ways to obtain our goals and no one can tell you that you will not be able to reach your goals. You chose to pursue them even more and to shoe people you can do it. So, allow Pinoy to chose as we all did at one time or another in our life.

Buttons

I agree with much of what you said, but he did ask for our opinions.

I agree with much of what you said, but he did ask for our opinions.

Yes, and we did right by telling the negatives and positives...based on our experience of course. In a decision-making process I'm perhaps more interested in the negatives than the positives.

Emptying urinals does not give one ANY useful experience about how to diagnose or treat disease:D

Pat, PA-C, MPAS, RN

Now Pat, you know that if you pour some urine on the doorstep overnight and the ants attack it by morning that the person is a diabetic.

And didn't you hear about the medical school professor who was lecturing to the students about how you could taste urine and tell if a patient was diabetic? He stuck his finger in the urine then stuck his finger in his mouth. He then passed the urine around to all his student who of course followed his example. However, the professor stuck one finger in the urine and a different finger in his mouth :rotfl:

The story was gross..or the joke was gross and of course, no urine was in the cup he passed around...if urine was in the cup than he would had been sue.

Warp sense of humor:wink2:

There goes to show you what students would do for a grade.....gross

There goes to show you what students would do for a grade.....gross

Well they were medical students :uhoh3:

Specializes in Educator.

actually.... that was one way they did test for glucise in urine in the 'old days'- also used to pipette and use suction devices via mouth... :p

Pinoy 0.2

I have read through all the responses to your question. I just want to share my situation. Maybe it will give you some insight or something to think about. I graduated from nursing school in 1969 as an RN with a BS degree. I did not want to work as a bedside nurse at the time. There was no such thing as nurse practitioners at that time. I liked working with children and decided to go the school nurse teacher route. I did that for two years. When they did away with school nurse teachers and school nurses didn't get paid enough, I was offered a job as an elementary school teacher with no schooling in that area and no experience. I took it. I ended up getting my MA in education plus 24 post graduate credits in education. I worked an a teacher for 25 years becoming teacher of the year in 1996. I was highly respected and looked up to in my field.

A few years ago, I went through a severe emotional trauma in my life. I retired from teaching, and I was hospitalized for post traumatic stress disorder from the trauma. I watched the psychiatric nurses work, and I decided that this is the route I wanted to go when I recovered. I took a refresher RN course and did very well considering. I spent some time doing psych clinicals, but it was mostly med surg-acute. My skills were weak, but I did learn to have pretty good medication and assessment skills. I was offered a night job in ortho, but I decided not to take it. When I looked into it, I could not get a job in psych without med surg experience. Since I didn't want to be a med surg nurse, I didn't know what to do. I got involved with allnurses.com and have been discussing these issues on various threads for a long time. My decision was not made easily. I listened to pros and cons of going for my psych nurse practioner's masters with no psych experience except during clinicals. All together, many more professionals on this web site told me to go for it. I just got accepted to the psychiatric nurse practitioner's Program University of Missouri-Columbia, and I am starting this winter. They do require RN experience in other areas but not in psych. I am very excited about starting this program. I don't know exactly what kind of job I want right now. Only time will tell. And if after my clinical hours and graduation, if for any reason I feel that I need more experience, I will work as a psych staff RN to get it. So every situation is different. I would suggest you listen to everyone's opinions, contact some schools and then make a deicsion based on what you have been told, your personal needs and your goals. Most people don't start out as teachers as I did, and I was very successful. I never even student taught. So who really knows for sure who will be best at what and what is the best way to go. It depends on the individual and the situation. Good luck to you in whatever you decide. Krisssy(an untraditional student, teacher and nurse lol)

Still in Bsn school, but the cold hard facts are in and it all comes down to the bottom line. From what we are being told by the director who is on the national board that sets standards for all the universities is this...

Statistically, ADNs can care for 4 patients safely, BSNs, up to 8, safely. The immediate trend will be to require ADNs to get on the BSN tract or lose their jobs, or be relegated to techs. The MSN will be in charge of care plan coordination at the floor level. NPs will take about 12 more credit hours to earn a DNP (doctorate in nursing practice).

Good idea, actually. If you think about it, the core assessment and clinical courses at the BSN level are all pre-requisites for the same advanced courses required in the FNP program.

G

Specializes in ECMO.
PAs have much more clinical time than NPs, 2,000 hrs plus compared to 600 hrs or so so there is not quite an even comparison.

When I was in the ARMY in 1970,the best officers and leaders were the ones who had the most experience. So who would you want in this life or death situation, a newbie right out of school or someone who had experience under their belt?

If you go straight into NP school WITHOUT any experience, you're just plain dumb no matter how smart you are. You certainly don't have to have 31 years of experience like me, however, consider that I was "learning" along the way. I really don't consider it "punishment" but "educational moments" that others might love to have.

excellent post. any kind of mid-level practitioner, NP or PA, CRNA or AA should have some kind of experience, it will only make them a much better provider.

Specializes in ECMO.
Still in Bsn school, but the cold hard facts are in and it all comes down to the bottom line. From what we are being told by the director who is on the national board that sets standards for all the universities is this...

Statistically, ADNs can care for 4 patients safely, BSNs, up to 8, safely. The immediate trend will be to require ADNs to get on the BSN tract or lose their jobs, or be relegated to techs. The MSN will be in charge of care plan coordination at the floor level. NPs will take about 12 more credit hours to earn a DNP (doctorate in nursing practice).

Good idea, actually. If you think about it, the core assessment and clinical courses at the BSN level are all pre-requisites for the same advanced courses required in the FNP program.

G

this is sarcasm......so the BSN makes one a better nurse than the ADN? dont all nurses take the same licensure examination?

by your post then you could say than an entry level MSN-RN nurse is better than a BSN nurse, even both took the same exam.

Still in Bsn school, but the cold hard facts are in and it all comes down to the bottom line. From what we are being told by the director who is on the national board that sets standards for all the universities is this...

Statistically, ADNs can care for 4 patients safely, BSNs, up to 8, safely. The immediate trend will be to require ADNs to get on the BSN tract or lose their jobs, or be relegated to techs. The MSN will be in charge of care plan coordination at the floor level. NPs will take about 12 more credit hours to earn a DNP (doctorate in nursing practice).

Good idea, actually. If you think about it, the core assessment and clinical courses at the BSN level are all pre-requisites for the same advanced courses required in the FNP program.

G

Whoever is telling you that is either naive or a plain old liar. I don't know any BSNs who care for more patients than ADNs and they have been talking about eliminating ADN programs for decades already. It hasn't been done for a variety of reasons. I have a BSN and can tell you it wouldn't be safe for me to look after 8 patients.:chuckle

Specializes in ECMO.
Hey CGFNP..............congrats on being in the top 1% of the NP pay scale, and for recognizing you didn't need to spend the better part of your life taking orders, but rather thinking for yourself. This is definitely an accomplishment, and I believe anyone who thinks otherwise is simply green with envy....not just about a good salary, but that you didn't buy into the "I've got to be a hospital slave and work my way up, for I am not good enough or smart enough yet." Again, PA's aren't handed this line of thinking, why do NP's need to follow it? Oh, and if you add in the clinical hours for undergrad work, NP's and PA's come up with about the same number of clinical hours.

dont mean to fuss but clinical hours earning a RN (undergrad) doesnt count towards clinical hours for a NP. they are two different roles. im going to RT school for my BS (90 semester hrs over 1000 clinical hrs) then going for PA, over 2000 hrs clinical, but i wouldnt say i had over 3000 clinical hrs b/c they are two different roles.

sorry im trying to address what zenman also said....

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