NH res with criminal history, sex offender

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One of our NH residents has a history of being a registered sex offender. Last evening we found out that someone has apparently told another resident that he was a child molester (as if she needed to know), and she was worried, upset and frightened to be sitting next to him in her wheelchair in the living area. Both residents have dementia and disability (he just sits and doesn't do anything anymore, although the young CNAs often do not like to assist him alone because of the way he sometimes looks at them). All I could think to do was tell her I'm sorry someone said that (neither affirming nor denying it), and that he was not able to harm anyone. I took her to her room and turned on her TV. She wanted to call her daughter, but I tried to redirect her. I was concerned about the daughter hearing about the guy's history and asking us questions about things that should be confidential, or at least not my place to tell other residents or family members, even though they could look up the guy on the 'net and find out he is a registered sex offender.

We were not told about it when he first was admitted to the facility, but some staff recognized him from news reports in the past.

I and several of our staff were upset that a staff member would tell another resident about this, and I left a message for my DON about it.

Sorry but I don't have a lot of sympathy for child molesters period. I can't believe the callousness of these child molesters. How could someone even think of harming an innocent child? Unfortunately, most child molesters re-offend and hurt even more children. I worked at a prison where there was a man who was HIV positive and had raped numerous little boys. He told me he was being released from prison and I thought to myself "He must be joking." He wasn't joking and he was released. :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a friend, I am saying that he isn't protected by other people's feelings just because he has served his time. No one is obligated to be anyone else's friend! That said, compassion is a wonderful thing, and we are all lucky that it exists. The fact that he may be reformed is only between him, the criminal justice system, whatever higher power he may believe in, and those who choose to forgive him. Given the heinous nature of his crimes, it is unrealistic to expect everyone to fall into one of those categories, and unfair to think less of them for it.

Sorry but I don't have a lot of sympathy for child molesters period. I can't believe the callousness of these child molesters. How could someone even think of harming an innocent child? Unfortunately, most child molesters re-offend and hurt even more children. I worked at a prison where there was a man who was HIV positive and had raped numerous little boys. He told me he was being released from prison and I thought to myself "He must be joking." He wasn't joking and he was released. :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

I'm not talking about everyone but merely saying that not everyone is the same and until someone speaks to this guy...how will anyone know if he is reformed or not. People do change...NOT ALL!!!! But some. Maybe this is the guy.

I don't sympathise with child molesters. I do however sympathise with the people behind their PAST crimes..probably because I believe in giving people second chances. I may feel otherwise when I'm a seasoned nurse but as of now...no. And no one will change my view. I'm not here to change yours or get into "it" with everyone. Just my opinion.

But this guy did not pass a couple of bad checks or get DUIs - He is a REG SEX OFFENDER - This means his crime was so bad he has to be REG. by the government - Now he does deserve care, however look at the increase incidents of rape going on in nursing homes (major jump). Pt safety is alway a biggie with me.Yes staff should know this info and yes he should be monitored -

now talking with the guy - yes I have to do that during my assessment, as far as being his friend - That is not me - I agree with the other poster - I don't have any sympthy for Reg Sex Offenders - Just my 2 cents I am happy that we all share differnt outlooks and repect your thought - God Bless - JHUBRAIN

I'm not talking about everyone but merely saying that not everyone is the same and until someone speaks to this guy...how will anyone know if he is reformed or not. People do change...NOT ALL!!!! But some. Maybe this is the guy.

I don't sympathise with child molesters. I do however sympathise with the people behind their PAST crimes..probably because I believe in giving people second chances. I may feel otherwise when I'm a seasoned nurse but as of now...no. And no one will change my view. I'm not here to change yours or get into "it" with everyone. Just my opinion.

Specializes in LTC.

I think he had to have something posted at his home so neighbor's, etc., would be aware. But I also know that the condition this guy is in now, he's not going to hurt anyone. You have to know the resident.

Something that happened recently: my daughter, a CNA, was working with him. She said, "Why are you looking at me like that?" He said, "I was just admiring your beauty." It kind of turned her stomach. When he first came to the facility, a couple of years ago, she was just 16 and she did not want to work with him at all. None of the young girls did. He was a little stronger at the time, too. Some of us "older" CNAs did his care, so the younger girls wouldn't have to. If I needed my daughter to help I was in there with her.

I agree if a person is a potential threat, staff should be made aware, and others need to be protected.

Another nurse thought is was possible that the lady resident knew something about this guy already because it was well-known in the area, and not necessarily that a staff member said anything. But I'm not sure if that is the case, I think she had lived in another state previously.

Anyway, I think this is a good discussion.

Yes this is a great discussion. I respect everyone's right to their opinion. :)

It makes it interesting to have a lot of different opinions on this matter.

So what has to happen legally? If he was living at home...in my state violent sexual predators have to register...As far as neighboor notification...Does that varry by state? If so...since a NH is a "home" what should happen?

Does this need to be care planned?

Where should these people go when they need skilled care later in life? Everyone wants to say....not in my facility, but really, they have to go some place???

Specializes in Critical Care/ICU.

Almost all people who commit this horrendous crime against children have themselves been abused in one way or the other as a child. It's sad, but it doesn't excuse the choices people make as adults. Any kind of abuse against powerless children makes me literally sick. Molestation is not sexual. It's all about power. And children are the most powerless of them all and the easiest targets.

Because childhood molestation happened to someone close to me, I really can't say that I could separate my feeling of disgust with a person from my professional obligations as a nurse. I really don't think I could. I would HAVE to object, in any way I could, to working with a patient such as this and I would hope that my employer would understand. If they didn't then I'd be SOL and maybe even something I would quit a job over. I probably have been the nurse to dozens of abusers. All of us have. We just didn't know about it at the time and might never know about it. Abusers come in all shapes and sizes, classes and status'.

If I didn't have a personal experience with this, I don't know how I'd feel. I'm a typically very liberal minded person and I usually stick up for the underdog.

I would think that as far as cna's working with this patient, that there would be some kind of restraining order against this person that would keep him away from minors. It would then be the responsibility of the facility to make sure that no one who is underage cares for him? This is not a judgement against ANYONE, but I would never allow my underage kid to get anywhere near this person even if it's their job. This is how I feel. My kid might disagree with me.

All too often our criminal justice system punishes the perpetrator, but then they don't do a darned thing about rehabing the criminal. Serving time does not mean they've paid their dues no matter what their crime. This tide has been changing over the last decade or so for the perpetrators of child sexual abuse. But this gentleman is old....old enough anyway to require LTC and unless his criminal acts happened recently, he probably has not received the help he so desperately needs/needed with his own past and his criminal actions against his minor victim(s) as this type of stuff was not as widely acknowledged and treated as it is today.

I work in a small town psych center. Patients range in age from 18-up. MANY are just "grandma" type with a history of depression, bi-polor, etc. There is a REG SEX offender with a history of Sexual assault with a weapon, and sexual assault to someone who "couldnt consent". There is an elementary school within walking distance of this facility. There are also young high school girls under the age of 18 employed as cnas. There are also sexually active, young (under age 25) females who live in the facility. This Sex offender has had repeated violent outbursts towards staff also. (he has only been here for a month!) He is age 55 and totally capable of injuring someone due to his size of over 200lbs, and activity level of any "normal" person. IF you seen a young resident allowing herself to be alone with this man unknowing of his past, how would you handle the situation? Oh not to mention many times we are staffed with 2 cnas and one nurse to 60 patients! 911 is our security! (9-11, how ironic that is the # we use to keep us SAFE isn't it?)

So what has to happen legally? If he was living at home...in my state violent sexual predators have to register...As far as neighboor notification...Does that varry by state? If so...since a NH is a "home" what should happen?

Does this need to be care planned?

Where should these people go when they need skilled care later in life? Everyone wants to say....not in my facility, but really, they have to go some place???

We had an offender at our nursing home several years ago. Had a follow up visit every so often, etc. He eventually got "kicked out", as there is a Day Care program close by our facility. Day care may have been the other side of the facility, but he STILL got "kicked out", and his parole officer was in deep kimchee, too. Guy was no harm to other residents, but seemed a bit creepy

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