New Nurse BULLIED/UNDERMINED/DRIVEN OUT

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:o Hi, I am new to this forum. I am a 37 yr old mother of three who worked in the Ultrasound field for eons...before making the "smart" move to go back to school for nursing. I was in the hospital since I was 20, know the politics, made many friends and many enemies. I am an outspoken, honest,"say it like it is" person who believes in team work and NON backstabbing. I was recently terminated from a position as a staff nurse at a local hospital in M---- County Pennsylvania. I was in this program that would supposedly take me from med-surg all the way up to ICU/CCU. That's what I wanted. Ever since I had started at this institution I have encountered nothing but negative feedback. I am a new nurse, six month's into the GAME. I have been pulled into the nursing office about three times,confronted by two nurse managers that they feel I was just not getting it. That was the first meeting, when I was there on the floor as a new nurse for only 6 days. Then second meeting they told me that I wasn't filling out my I/O sheets (O.K) that "other nurses" were complaining that I was unaproachable, defensive, unfocused, and that patients were complaining too. I said, O.K, can you give me some examples so I know what to work on. They said that they didn't have it ALL written down but there were numerous complaints. I also supposedly talked about alot of the nurses to other nurses. ( At this point I am thinking am I in high school?) So I left that meeting solum and beaten....vowing to not say a peep to anyone. I have three children here to feed and a marriage on the rocks. But unfortunately I have a personality that loves to laugh, talk, help others, and really want to make a difference in patients and my coworkers lives. So that didn't last. I was told I was on probation again....after 5 months on the floor and that I was not ready to be trained on the telemetry floor. ( My background is Cardiology...Echo, holter scanning, etc.) The very next week they ( nursing office) decide to pull me to the telemetry floor, by myself, no preceptor or co-assign for 12 hrs. (Humph!) They( nursing office) call me about 3pm and ask me to stay to 7pm, there on telemtry. I opened my big 'ol mouth and said "Isn't it funny how I am not ready to be trained in telemtry but you can put me here for twelve hours." I stayed. The next week they pull me to the Oncology floor, which is a hospice floor also. I did a two week rotation there in December. I recieved 5 patients....One was dying...and did die on me, a psych patient with medical issues, a drug seeker, a normal medical case, and last but certainly not the least, a OPT coming in for blood that spoke only Russian. Well, my day was hell, so one of the other nurses "started" the ball rolling as far as my patient that had to recieve blood. She did the assessment and "got them ready for me". I was left with the IV stick and getting the blood. I did this all after sticking this poor woman three times because of rolly veins and I proceeded with it when the clerk told me the blood was ready. Appartently there were med's to give prior to the blood that I did not know about. I assumed (how wrong I was) the other nurse would have let me know this. She wrote the nursing progress notes on the patient and it was a mistake I will never make again. Anyhow, this woman's vein infiltrated, I took it out, iced it, then went to pull a seasoned nurse to restick here again. When the first unit of blood was done, I took her vitals and let the oncoming nurse that she had to get lasix folling the unit and after the second unit. This fact was told to me. Patients vitals all within normal parameters, I finished all the rest of my paperwork, and lastly checked if the oncoming nurse needed anything before I left. She said no. Off the next day, then went to work the day after, pulled in the office and was shown an order that stated Tylenol 650mg P.O, Benadryl 25mg, P.O, and Hydrocortosone (don't know the amount...blurry now) and that these meds were never given, now this patient was admitted with reactions and she is in CHF. I looked at the order and it had no time or when to give (premedicate or only PRN)So I am at fault but there were more than one pair of hands in this pot along with a badly written order. I was terminated. I was told that I didn't follow through. Then they said that I didn't even sign the progress note and that's when I told them that I did not write that. They said"oh...." I never receieved any written warnings nor had to sign for anything and I feel that I did not practice at 100% but it was a floor out of my realm. I hope all that reads this do not think that I think I am infallable. I am not. I just feel that this hospital had no intention of keeping me and were waiting to see me fall. I am a "6 month old nurse" in desperate need of a job and I need good references. I was going to stay at this one place until I hit my year mark. It does not look right when you go from place to place. I need some guidance here, if any body would be so kind. Thank you. Bindy :o

Dear Bindy,

I was in the same situation (well not exactly the same -- I quit), but I think I was bullied also from my first job.

You know, it's really sounds strange to me how seasoned nurses (some) on this board trying to teach you here "you are in profession that requires this and that...", "you have to suck it in...".... you know, i am not 20 y.o. and have been in many professions and worked many jobs (in different countries). And it is all about people, that is it. No matter what you do, if you are new at it, you need help, end either other help you or they back stab you.

When i was nursing student, i worked in well known hospital in my area as a pca for almost a year. I have never had problem neither with my co-workers nor with my supervisor (on THIS floor).

After I've got my RN, i was accepted on another floor (med-surg) as new graduate nurse . I knew that floor had bad

reputation (understaffed, bad management), but I always was hardworking, and wasn't scared. I am like you, very honest and direct. I liked my preceptor (very quite girl, when she spoke, she almost whispered, and I , in opposite have loud voice.) The first bell sounded when I had the first evaluation with nursing supervisor after about 2 weeks of orientation. She said that "i was giving hard time" to my preceptor, that i speak too loud, walk too fast, and how other nurses on the floor "perceive" me. Well, obviosly they didn't preceive me well. OK, i was kind of surprised, because nobody told me anything so far in my face, i said that maybe it's just first impression, and i think that with time we will know each other better and friction dissappears OK, the other 4 weeks past. I had the same preceptor. I've thought everything was

going OK with my preceptor (of course, when you work side by side 3 12s, there is always some friction, but nothing major (at least she didn't raised any issues). One day i had really bad experience with MD: he prescribed the drug, the primary MD DC'd it and first one got pissed... well, anyways, i was there and primary wasn't and he screamed at me. I was defensive, but eventually situation resolved. It is not 1st time i was dealing with angry MD (i was lpn for 1 year prior that). The next day i was called to nursing supervisor for evaluation (my preceptor was there). I was told that i was "argumentative" with MD, i talk too loud, i sit wrong way , i stand wrong way, i should be carefull what i say, and they have "happy family" on the floor, and i "disturb" the happiness, and overall I have stinking personality. I was so overwhelmed, that i cried. Just couldn't help it. Didn't expect the blow.

Anyways, after giving the situation some consideration, i started to look for another job. Found it in a week. More money, sign-on bonus. When I called nursing supervisor to say that i quit, she sounded surprised, she said she 've thought "i was over it" and "moved on". I guess, i wasn't over it.

So, my point is: if you feel that you are not treated well, don't try to blame youself (unless you persistenly had the same problems in other jobs). There are hospitals where there are wiser supervisors, who don't bring up staff like that (although, there are always people who will badmouth you behind your back, i guess). I beleive you are a good nurse, you just started in a wrong place, that's it.

Specializes in Geriatrics/Oncology/Psych/College Health.

I'd like everyone to remember the difference between constructive criticism and just being snide. No personal attacks, please.

Specializes in Community Health Nurse.

((((((((((bindy)))))))))) :icon_hug: i would really like the opportunity to talk with you about the situation you are in. if you want a listening ear without judgement from a nurse who totally gets where you are coming from, and a mature woman who has been through marital difficulties as you mentioned in your first post (ever so slightly of course), then please send me a "pm" and i will gladly share my private email address with you so we can talk in strictest of confidence. i'll even contact you by telephone if it will help you any. i'm offering to be here for you. it's up to you when and if you are ready for my listening ear and older woman advise. :kiss

Specializes in Psych, Dialysis, L & D, Long Term Care.
Seems to me like there's a whole lotta problems with a whole lotta other people.

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This is a teamwork business. It relies on everyone doing their part.

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From your diatribe

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definition = thunderous verbal attack

I didn't see anything of the sort. Perhaps you misused the word?

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it would seem that nearly every staff nurse, nurse manager, doctor and patient at that job were out to get you.

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That's strange. What I saw was a new nurse trying to get it right and not being familiar with all the pitfalls that are associated with this business.

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Plus the strife of family life and marriage on the rocks.

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People have problems. Work is not a box that we enter in our shift and then forget about everything else that happens outside of or for that matter INSIDE the box.

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Any chance it might not be the whole rest of the world?

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Any chance you might be in denial about your own situation?

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No, of course not. Everyone's just has it in for you.

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Yes that's it. Blame the victim.

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Grow up, own your mistakes, learn from them, get another job.

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I'm all for owning mistakes. I don't think the grow up part was appropriate. That's just another chance to victimize someone and remain in denial about the bullying and victimizing that goes on with REGULARITY in nursing. From the content of your post I would probably be close in guessing that you yourself have engaged in victimizing other nurses. Or shall we just call it aggressive peer judgement. That's a nice euphemisim for that kind of behavior.

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Good Grief! You are right on the money! The titles after his name, in my opinion, are evidence of insecurity if he feels the need to add them on a message board!

Hang in there Bindy, you'll do ok. Not every job is a perfect match for every nurse.

Specializes in E.D and Tele.
Hang in there Bindy, you'll do ok. Not every job is a perfect match for every nurse.

Thanks so much for your input!

Specializes in E.D and Tele.
Dear Bindy,

I was in the same situation (well not exactly the same -- I quit), but I think I was bullied also from my first job.

You know, it's really sounds strange to me how seasoned nurses (some) on this board trying to teach you here "you are in profession that requires this and that...", "you have to suck it in...".... you know, i am not 20 y.o. and have been in many professions and worked many jobs (in different countries). And it is all about people, that is it. No matter what you do, if you are new at it, you need help, end either other help you or they back stab you.

When i was nursing student, i worked in well known hospital in my area as a pca for almost a year. I have never had problem neither with my co-workers nor with my supervisor (on THIS floor).

After I've got my RN, i was accepted on another floor (med-surg) as new graduate nurse . I knew that floor had bad

reputation (understaffed, bad management), but I always was hardworking, and wasn't scared. I am like you, very honest and direct. I liked my preceptor (very quite girl, when she spoke, she almost whispered, and I , in opposite have loud voice.) The first bell sounded when I had the first evaluation with nursing supervisor after about 2 weeks of orientation. She said that "i was giving hard time" to my preceptor, that i speak too loud, walk too fast, and how other nurses on the floor "perceive" me. Well, obviosly they didn't preceive me well. OK, i was kind of surprised, because nobody told me anything so far in my face, i said that maybe it's just first impression, and i think that with time we will know each other better and friction dissappears OK, the other 4 weeks past. I had the same preceptor. I've thought everything was

going OK with my preceptor (of course, when you work side by side 3 12s, there is always some friction, but nothing major (at least she didn't raised any issues). One day i had really bad experience with MD: he prescribed the drug, the primary MD DC'd it and first one got pissed... well, anyways, i was there and primary wasn't and he screamed at me. I was defensive, but eventually situation resolved. It is not 1st time i was dealing with angry MD (i was lpn for 1 year prior that). The next day i was called to nursing supervisor for evaluation (my preceptor was there). I was told that i was "argumentative" with MD, i talk too loud, i sit wrong way , i stand wrong way, i should be carefull what i say, and they have "happy family" on the floor, and i "disturb" the happiness, and overall I have stinking personality. I was so overwhelmed, that i cried. Just couldn't help it. Didn't expect the blow.

Anyways, after giving the situation some consideration, i started to look for another job. Found it in a week. More money, sign-on bonus. When I called nursing supervisor to say that i quit, she sounded surprised, she said she 've thought "i was over it" and "moved on". I guess, i wasn't over it.

So, my point is: if you feel that you are not treated well, don't try to blame youself (unless you persistenly had the same problems in other jobs). There are hospitals where there are wiser supervisors, who don't bring up staff like that (although, there are always people who will badmouth you behind your back, i guess). I beleive you are a good nurse, you just started in a wrong place, that's it.

Thanks so much for sharing your story. It makes me feel like I really am not losing my mind. Often times we second guess ourselves. I am hearing alot about making sure that I ask preceptors questions and to inquire often. I did that every day. When I am unsure of a proceedure or how to go about a situation I ALWAYS asked. I wouldn't want a nurse that was unsure of herself taking care of someone I loved. So I always go the extra mile to protect patients and also myself. The whole situation stunk. But it's going to be O.K. Went to a party tonight with some friends I was in the program with. Got a lot of leads and advice which I am always open to. Thanks again!

Specializes in E.D and Tele.
((((((((((bindy)))))))))) :icon_hug: i would really like the opportunity to talk with you about the situation you are in. if you want a listening ear without judgement from a nurse who totally gets where you are coming from, and a mature woman who has been through marital difficulties as you mentioned in your first post (ever so slightly of course), then please send me a "pm" and i will gladly share my private email address with you so we can talk in strictest of confidence. i'll even contact you by telephone if it will help you any. i'm offering to be here for you. it's up to you when and if you are ready for my listening ear and older woman advise. :kiss

i would love to hear from you. e-mail me privately with your address so i can learn from what you know. i take it that you have been a nurse for quite some time. i respect your thoughts and opinions.

Specializes in Picu, ICU, Burn.

You are so not ready for per diem or float. You are complaining here about your float experience. Do you want everyday to be like that? All the out to get you stuff aside. Whether it's true or imagined the bottom line is the type of day you experienced was not anything out of the ordinary for a busy tele floor and trust me it could have been worse. And it seems the staff even tried to support you. Written orders are your responsibility. You should never give blood products without reading the order yourself. It's your patient. I dont care how busy I am at the beginning of a shift. I skim every chart to make sure nothing on my MAR has been dc'd or changed. You can accept help when its available but you are still in charge of the patient and everything others are doing to that person. There are certain things you should always do yourself. Someone can set up your blood but you should be the one starting it after you check the chart. Progress notes should be written by you only. Charting is the last thing you do even if it means you have to stay late and no one else should be doing it for you. Chalk this up as a learning experience and get some more experience you need it. You might consider Interventional Radiology or GI lab. Something closer to the environment you were used to in Ultrasound. Good Luck.

Specializes in E.D and Tele.
I second that opinion. Some of the mistakes you describe in your first post go against the basic practices you were taught in school, not checking the chart for your patient before transfusing, some other nurse writing the progress note, etc. It sounds like you were overwhelmed on your first job, and when other nurses tried to help you with tasks, communication about who was responsible to do what seems to have been lost. Tough way to learn some hard lessons, there.

ANY new hire who makes mistakes like that involving basic nursing practice that could jeopardise patient safety will find themselves on the "short list" for termination.

I think you should find a facility that is more geared towards teaching beginner grads to find your legs, learn organisation and solidify your practice before you try agency nursing.

Regarding getting along with other nurses, etc. It's great to ask questions and get feedback regarding how to best take care of a patient or deal with a situation. That's the kind of talking with others you should do more of. Help the other nurses to see you as someone who is open to learning. Make sure you are seen as someone who listens to the answers, as well. Pay attention to how you respond when you are given feedback, of any and all kinds. You may well BE a person who is open to feedback and learning, but if you don't appear that way, the staff will (rightfully so) be concerned about your safety and competence as a beginner.

One of our new grads asks tons of questions, but I think she has a hard time with seeing herself as an absolute beginner, (she's a mature student with two kids as well), and her response is often "oh yeah, I know, but...." The "I know" part makes her seem way overconfident and she looks like she doesn't know her limitations, which is dangerous.

Watch how you talk about other people too. Try to keep the tone of your commentary positive, even if your real opinion is otherwise. You are new, you don't "know" those people well enough to judge them. Sarcasm (The "isn't it funny..." comment you made) is often poorly recieved, especially from higher-ups. If you aren't ready for an assignement, it is your professional and ethical responsibility to say so and ask to not be assigned somewhere that you aren't trained for. And to say it in a manner that is professiona; sarcasm can often be seen as insubbordination.

I really feel that you were not bullied out of this job. By the sounds of it, the manager DID try to talk to you about the problems. It is really hard to talk to somebody about the whole of their workplace demeanor, especially when that is what needs to be addressed, and not the nit-picky specific events. I don't know if you have a union, or what the hospital's policy is - we have a strong union, but any new hire is automatically on probation for three months and can be terminate for any reason in that time, no letters of warning or anything necessary.

Good luck in finding a job that suits you and making it work! :)

In all due respect, you assume alot about a person's demeanor... through a thread. You inply that I talked to higher ups in a insubordinate tone which was never the case.....other than the funny isn't comment. I signed a contract that stated how I was to embark on this adventure and they always gave a reason not to fullfill it. I was well off of probation, about four months past and had never recieved the written promises that were made through their offer. Any normal sane person would have lost it awhile ago. I am happy that I held it together that long. Some institutions are notorious for their "catty" reputation, this is one of them which I chose to ignore. I figured I had been in other hospitals with difficult coworkers and accepted them "as-is". That was just they way they were. But when some chose to go out of there way to undermine all the while you are asking them, when you have free time, if THEY need help with anything....well that's just not right.

Specializes in E.D and Tele.
You are so not ready for per diem or float. You are complaining here about your float experience. Do you want everyday to be like that? All the out to get you stuff aside. Whether it's true or imagined the bottom line is the type of day you experienced was not anything out of the ordinary for a busy tele floor and trust me it could have been worse. And it seems the staff even tried to support you. Written orders are your responsibility. You should never give blood products without reading the order yourself. It's your patient. I dont care how busy I am at the beginning of a shift. I skim every chart to make sure nothing on my MAR has been dc'd or changed. You can accept help when its available but you are still in charge of the patient and everything others are doing to that person. There are certain things you should always do yourself. Someone can set up your blood but you should be the one starting it after you check the chart. Progress notes should be written by you only. Charting is the last thing you do even if it means you have to stay late and no one else should be doing it for you. Chalk this up as a learning experience and get some more experience you need it. You might consider Interventional Radiology or GI lab. Something closer to the environment you were used to in Ultrasound. Good Luck.

You are right about my responsabilities as a nurse. I never asked for another nurse to delve into this situation. I was told she did it for me. All the while I was in a room with a deceased patient and his morning spouse. Maybe I'm not ready for telly, maybe I am. I was put on the floor by myself for 12 hours with 5 telly patients. Cardiology is my background. I have a degree in it. Perhaps you should read the thread more thoroughly yourself. I charted progress notes myself, meaning vitals and such pre,during and post giving blood. It was a nursing progress note that was an intial assessment( like...patient is an OPT, arrived at such and such time for such and such) written by someone else (never asked) The patient could have waited a few minutes for me to arrive in the room. This decision was made by another nurse, seasoned, but not in charge, and I trusted her judgement. I am using this as a learning experience and I do know I am new to this field and need more experience. Just remember you were where I am in your past. You were a new nurse at one time.

Specializes in Picu, ICU, Burn.

The whole thing was bad. If they didn't think you were ready they shouldn't have floated you. But after 6 months if you don't have it you're not going to. A lot of people think med/surg and tele is easier than ICU because the acuity is lower but the reality is any ms or tele pt can go bad and they pile so many pt's on plus admissions and discharges things can quickly get out of control. Its not for everyone. You may do better in ICU with less patients so you can focus on total care and become an excellent nurse. I remember being a new grad clear as day. I had a charge nurse had me drawn up Demerol (big no no) and I gave it IV (the order was IM) I didn't look at the chart and it was my fault we had Narcan the poor guy. All I'm trying to say is it doenst matter where you end up there are certain things nurses shouldn't do for each other. Learn what they are and never forget!

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