New doctors, nurses should work two years in RP - PMA

[pinoy_guy]

new doctors, nurses should work two years in rp - pma

[color=dimgray]10/12/2007 | 02:44 pm

a group of filipino medical practitioners is endorsing a bill in congress that requires new graduates of medicine and nursing courses to serve in philippine hospitals for at least two years before seeking employment overseas.

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in the same report, the philippine nursing association (pna) echoed the stand of pma but raised concern that job opportunities for medical professionals in the country might not be enough to accommodate fresh graduates.

"there should be jobs [for medical practitioners], but there are none," said leah paquiz, pna president.

"the government should create jobs for doctors and filipino nurses, as well as all medical practitioners," she added.

just a heads-up to fellow filipino nurses.

file your papers and get on the next available plane.

i wonder where they plan to put the 600,000 nurses who will be graduating in the next few years, when most nurses cannot find decent paying jobs in the philippines.

emphasis on decent paying.

there are lots of jobs, but indecently paying. because some hospitals will ask the nurse to pay the hospitals for the questionable privilege of working in these hospitals.

as for the poor unfortunate souls who once in their lifetime dreamt of being a doctor...and achieved that dream...never in their wildest nightmares did they envision that the md after their names will turn to albatrosses around their necks.

2 years is a long time to be held captive in as supposedly democratic country.

and they cannot even give these professionals decent pay.

[gemini_star, BSN, RN]

The link does not show the news. It directly opens to allnurses forums page. From what newspaper is this? It sounds sad. Sad to be stuck with no job and no money if this will be implemented.

[RN4US]

It's like taking up nursing course in 6 years. The last two years are all OJTs without pay.

More Filipinos are now enrolling in Nursing School and I wonder if there are still some taking up MD.

I think the real shortage is not with the nurses but with the doctors. So the best solution, increase the salary of doctors. Forcing them to stay is a short-sighted solution. After 2 years, they will all be gone. And then because it will take too long, fewer students will enroll in Med. School and then after 4 to 8 years, we'll a bigger problems.....NO MORE DOCTORS TO HOLD FOR TWO YEARS!!! They all have gone nursing school or other professions.

Increase the salary, not the years of education/service!!!

[pinoy_guy]

weird...the link points to a thread i have just started. must be a glitch in the server.

here is the link: http://www.gmanews.tv/story/64210/new-doctors-nurses-should-work-two-years-in-rp---pma

[American Pie]

Unless the Philippine Government follows the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states according to Article 23

Article 23

1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
   
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
   
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
   
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
   

Then I'll work here for 2 years for the sake of my country.

[RNHawaii34]

see, this news does not add up. they want the new grads to have a mandatory 2 years work experience before leaving out of the country. if 100,000 new nurses, or mds made it to graduation, every semester, and pass the board exam, then where are they going to place these people for work? sounds ridiculous. we are much aware now that most new grads opted for "a volunteer work", all over the country, and what makes it more pathetic is that they are not being paid, and does not know if when they are going to get hired for the position. if these new grads, have a chance to leave the country, although not necessarily for usa, just give them a chance to leave, because if they can't do the job outside, then they will eventually come back. what the goverment there should be focusing on, is the pay, and the welfare of these underpaid nurses. it makes me cringe to see that the government are making a lot of changes, while there are other problems that needs to be tackled: like get rid of the low performing nursing schools. now that should be regulated.they should also regulate in hiring clinical instructors. anyone who do not have work experience for 3-5 years, does not possess a master's degree, should not be allowed to be a ci. we can talk about stuffs that needs to be regulated on and on, and on....but i think this 2 years experience before you fly out of the country is ridiculous.....

[lawrence01]

see, this news does not add up. they want the new grads to have a mandatory 2 years work experience before leaving out of the country. if 100,000 new nurses, or mds made it to graduation, every semester, and pass the board exam, then where are they going to place these people for work? sounds ridiculous. we are much aware now that most new grads opted for "a volunteer work", all over the country, and what makes it more pathetic is that they are not being paid, and does not know if when they are going to get hired for the position. if these new grads, have a chance to leave the country, although not necessarily for usa, just give them a chance to leave, because if they can't do the job outside, then they will eventually come back. what the goverment there should be focusing on, is the pay, and the welfare of these underpaid nurses. it makes me cringe to see that the government are making a lot of changes, while there are other problems that needs to be tackled: like get rid of the low performing nursing schools. now that should be regulated.they should also regulate in hiring clinical instructors. anyone who do not have work experience for 3-5 years, does not possess a master's degree, should not be allowed to be a ci. we can talk about stuffs that needs to be regulated on and on, and on....but i think this 2 years experience before you fly out of the country is ridiculous.....

and don't forget nurses that teach nursing subjects should also be holding a master's degree. actually, that is already a requirement but is not followed as well. now, if they just follow that requirement then there will be fewer cis and fewer "unqualified" teachers and that will make it hard for mushroom nursing schools to survive.

i've also heard that some schools (up is one of them, if i'm not mistaken) the forbid their full time professors to do part time on other nursing schools and review centers but i've also heard that it is not being followed as well. the reason for forbiding them is that they are already full-time employees, complete with benefits and that the quality of their school may suffer if they allow their full-time teachers do part-time rather than rest on their spare time.

regarding this proposed law ..... this is not something new. they can endorse all they want. this has been on-going for years and as far as i can remember. they always do this every year and every year nothing happens because they can't find any support for it. nothing will happen again. wait, 'till next year and you will see another version of it. i guarantee you that nothing will happen again.

[milkshake_rn]

Another thing is, some staff nurses at the hospital are also working as a part time clinical instructors to nursing schools, I can't blame them because of the low salaries we have but personally I can see some bad effects of it, like the total nursing care for the patient and their performance is really compromised. I can see some of them sleeping while on duty, and sometimes we take over. and I can't imagine the quality of their teaching if they are tired having their duty from the hospital.

[rn4ever?]

It is what you call survival of the fittest---it is just human nature that people find ways to feed themselves and their family. It just so happen that to be able to do that, they would have to go to a foreign land that is why there is an exodus of healthcare professionals---and nothing can stop them from leaving the Philippines---especially when they have a hungry tummy! Even if they make all these healthcare professionals stay and work for two years, they will be on the next plane out of Manila as soon as they reach their second year anniversary. So it is not a real solution. It is just an "attempt" to fix things quickly---but doesn't address the real problem.

[lamplighter]

agree to you guys...im a fresh graduate and ive been looking for a job for almost 3months already... but the situation is you need to pay first the hospitals for "the training" before you can start with them and there's no assurance that you can be absorbed after that very expensive training...what more if I'm going to stay here for two years...maybe in that duration of time iv already a work but not in the hospital that gives very unjust salary...Kindly give us a job that provides a good job hygiene then we might agree to such regulation...

[dave787]

yes its a act of heroism.

[acecareer]

It is a really good idea! BUT, they should limit that to those who graduated using the STATE funds. After all the government spent for their education, it's about time they pay back. It will NOT be fair for those of us who labored ourselves (or our parents/relatives) to death just to send us to school. This must not apply to Nursing or Medicine alone, but should be implemented to all profession.