Need a BSN for what again?

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I am having trouble understanding why an ADN RN needs to go back to college for a BSN? I've heard because there is a lower mortality rate with BSN nurses because they have higher critical thinking skills...Really? Basic RN's, wether ADN or BSN, were trained the necessary skills to perform at the bedside and to pass the NCLEX required to become and RN. So why all the critical thinking skills that are required all of a sudden? The duty of the bedside registered nurse is to assess and prove assessment feedback to the physician. He or she said physician is to analyze the data provided by the RN and give further direction from that point. There is no further obligation in the nursing process that states we must recommend to the physician what medication the patient needs to be prescribed as we have absolutely NO prescriptive authority OR obligation. We nurses are furthermore not obligated to formulate a diagnosis for the physician which would be beyond the scope of practice also. The scope of nursing actually ends with assessment and reporting to the ultimate responsible authority. The nurse then is to carry out the specific orders provided by the physician. I can already hear you diva's saying, "but your the pt advocate", and yes we are but we have limitations. Once we hit our limitations it is the responsibility of the physician to do his or her job and stop trying to force everything on the nurses. Nurses are not here to take up the slack of the physician. The physicians need to become the professionals they claim to be and stop forgetting orders and hospitals stop forcing the nurses to catch the mistakes of a physician because the hospital can't get the physician to comply.

All in all, there seems to be a stretch of nursing to become the physicians...well where is the pay and title change? Every order that a nurse corrects should be noted and send to the medical board. If a nurse was to make mistakes it can be reported to the board...Physicians should be held accountable at the same level.

So my take on the BSN requirement is BS.

Anyone else know why we must have a BSN? Why is it that a ADN can no longer fit the position?

Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance.
I would also like to know the source for this assertion. It certainly is not true in my area.

Nor mine.

Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance.

And the stats from my state bon certainly don't support it.

Specializes in ER.
That's what a lot of nurses were saying 40 years ago, and we're no closer to that happening now than we were then (in terms of licensure, that is -- clearly a lot of employers are showing a preference for BSN-prepared nurses, at least for the time being).

So, you're speaking positively above about the push for BSN education of nurses "moving the profession forward," but now you're arguing in favor of returning nursing back to basic technical-vocational training? The "fluff," as so many nurses disparagingly refer to general education requirements in BSN programs, is the difference between a tech-voc certificate in some kind of technical skill and a baccalaureate degree. "Dance history" does make you "a better person" and "contribute to (your) learning" -- unless you've decided up front that it's not going to, and choose to not take advantage of the opportunity. Maybe you don't need to be "forced to be a well-rounded student" because you have other interests, but that is a basic expectation of higher education, as opposed to, say, learning welding or plumbing.

In the US, yes we are expected to have general education credits. However, in other countries they specialize earlier on and do not have as many general education requirements for their degree. In a perfect world, no one would have to pay for education. In the US, education is an expensive business and I think that we should make a push to make it more affordable.

Now, on another hand, other countries also do not necessarily have nursing as generalized as the US does. One example in the UK is that they specialize in nursing school what type of nurses they want to be. However, does the lack of general education credits make them less competent as nurses?

I personally would like to see an overhaul to our colleges and universities so that the cost of an education is less. I would like to include high schools in it too.

As for the dance history, it was an entertaining class but not worth the 519 dollars (probably more like 550 with additional fees) it cost as a three credit hour class. I could have spent that money taking martial arts classes, going to the Planetarium every Friday, or purchasing a new bow. You know, enriching myself with actual hobbies that I have. Heck, I could go to open skate 80 times this year for that price. Imagine what that could have cost a the university level. I looked at one university near me and the per credit cost is 925 for instate residents. 2775 for a class about dance history. Ouch.

I am in favor of a sort of hybrid program where it focuses primarily on nursing. Cut out the extra fluff classes. It adds an unnecessary burden to the cost of the degree. In a perfect world, students can spend as much money as they want going to school. However, with modern cost of colleges, it's not worth it to force students to take classes to force them to be "well rounded."

Specializes in Critical Care.
In addition to all of these points, what happened to wanting to pursue higher education for self improvement? Why are nurses not aspiring to learn more and better prepare themselves?

School costs money, lots of money, tuition keeps going up faster than inflation and many nurses don't have the time to go back to school with their family responsibilities. I loved college and have a liberal arts background and an ADN, but I have no desire to go back to school and take out student loans when I'm so close to retirement. I think it is very dangerous to take out student loans especially later in life.

If I was forced to get a BSN I would choose the cheapest online option I could find. The corporate system I work for requires new RN's to get their BSN in 3 years or lose their job. They haven't forced current RN's to go back although I've heard of hospitals that have done that. I just hope I can make it to retirement before things change!

But for the young, I recommend getting the BSN and seriously considering getting an NP. But spend as little money as possible and seek out low cost college options if you can.

Specializes in Critical Care.
I am a nurse and chose to go to nursing school for my career. I have no desire to be a physician otherwise I would have gone to med school. I agree that going above and beyond is nice and feels great to be able to provide quality nursing care. But what about those nurses who stress that their license is gonna be taken away and or be disciplined at work over issues that the physician is dropping the ball on? Its not fair as this can cause increased nursing anxiety which can lower the nurses threshold to stress and decrease the ability to provide quality nursing care and may even be a big cause of nursing burnout. Why is no one supporting boundaries between the professions?

I find it odd that your hospital expects the nurses to get Dr's to write correct orders. Don't most places use computer programs like Cerner or Epic where the Drs are prompted by the micromanaging computer to put in correct orders like DVT prophylaxis, SCD's etc. Regardless it seems like the hospital should take it up with the Drs themselves. The computer big brother usually cues the correct orders and even forces them to put it in. Also we have nurses that go over the patients chart to maximize reimbursement that message the Dr suggesting best diagnoses and/or data necessary to support this.

Specializes in Thoracic Cardiovasc ICU Med-Surg.

I got my ASN from a community college which was affiliated with the City University of NY. It was a good program. I got my RN-BSN from a state university. In this program I took classes such as Health Assessment (which i did not have previously) Health Policy, Community and World health, Epidemiology and pathophysiology. Okay yes and some really boring research and theory classes.

BUT. I became a MUCH better clinician for having gone through that program. Just the formal health assessment class alone would have made it work it! Patho really helped me understand the underlying disease process, and I was able to communicate more effectively with physicians because I understood more of what they were talking about! Epigenetics? Yes! Immunology, YES! Incidence and prevalence? YES!

I did two research projects during those two years in my professional field and learned SO MUCH MORE than I was expecting! The thing is, sometimes you don't know what you don't know.

Specializes in ED, med-surg, peri op.

Honestly I haven't read many comments but this post annoyed me so much. I'm surprised you made through nursing school and have a job with that attitude.

Bsn is important:

1. Nursing requires life long learning, advancing you education should be expected. Unless you want to be that nurse that get away with doing the bare minimum and makes other pick up your slack because 'it's not you job'

2. Pretty much everywhere out side of the US requires a bsn. So you won't ever be able to work overseas.

3. Senior nursing positions and advancing your career.

Plus a whole bunch more that I could spend hours writing about.

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