Need Advise regarding my highschool girl mentoree

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Here's the situation: I've been mentoring a highschool girl from my church. She used to babysit for me, and I've more or less known her since she was 4. Her family is very conservative, religious, and she is their youngest of 6 children. She's a great young lady. She plans to go into nursing and this is part of her senior project.

We have gotten together several times and she job shadowed twice. Her presentation is Wednesday which I plan to attend. I really like this girl.

Here's my dilemma. When she first approached me about this, her original plan was to move to another part of our state near her oldest sister and go to State University. Then, a few months later she confided in me that she now plans to enter ROTC and apply to a very expensive, private, religiously affiliated and prestigeous university. She would go to nursing school and then be obligated to serve in the military.

I hope no one here feels insulted, but I'm opposed to this. I would never want one of my daughters to enter the military. I was totally opposed to the war in Iraq and I don't want this beautiful girl to go there. Personally, I think she's been brainwashed by her arch conservative family, who are pro war in Iraq. They are blue collar people who own a decent home and are middle class, but have a large family and definately don't have the means or inclination to send this girl to this pricey university. However, I do think they would like her to go there because it is an enormous status symbol in my church to send a child to this university.

I discussed this with the pastor here, who is also against the Iraq war, so sympathetic. He advised that it would be good if I gently brought up my opinion that it isn't the only option. So, now that the official mentoring is drawing to a close, I want to gently bring up this subject.

My first point is that, I don't think there's any advantage to going to a high priced university for a nursing degree. I also don't think she realizes the reality of the commitment. She has discussed with me how she thinks children are better off with mothers at home when they are small. What if she gets married while she is in the service and has a child? She will be at the beck and call of the Armed Forces and will very likely be sent to Iraq! One thing I've emphasized is how flexible nursing is for parents!

So, I want to present some other funding options, with the suggestion that it is not in her best interests to try to obtain a nursing degree from an expensive private university, but get grants and loans and go to a State University. Maybe someone can give me a clue how to present this to my young friend, so at least I will have made her aware of her options.

Interesting thread - glad you had a good experience today with the young lady and her mom.

As an "arch conservative" I do want to say something about "brainwashing". All parents, regardless of their political viewpoints, teach their children the values that they hold dear. Each child grows up to question that and come to their own conclusions. There was no way in heck that my children were brainwashed.

My oldest son is also an "arch conservative" (I have to grin at that characterization). He attended a very good private Christian university in So. Cal. My second son believes in God but is on the fence about what else he believes and is doing things I disapprove of (but things I did at his age). My 18 y.o. daughter is agnostic but willing to talk - especially today - she was in a car accident, totaled the car after sliding on black ice and flipping the car. My 6 year old of course believes in God.

I think joining the military in this instance affords her great opportunity and the training for nurses is extraordinary.

I do have a question for those more knowledgeable - Marla's daughter and son-in-law were deployed to Iraq shortly after their son was born so soldiers are sent to serve regardless of having infants.

And I agree with others . . ..that overwhelming feeling of being "in love" can happen anywhere.

steph

Specializes in midwifery, NICU.

Steph..is your wee girl ok? This strikes fear in my heart, we lost a very loved boy at aged 17, not ours, but our daughters darling boyfriend. Now, i fear when our two girls are out driving, cant rest till they are in and safe. Give her a big hug from me, poor wee girl, she must have had such a fright.

I Know this is off topic, sorry guys, but just had to say this to Steph!

I am currently a 1st year BSN student and have served 6 years in the Army reserve. One of those years I was deployed for Operation Iraqi Freedom. I am 22 and married for 2 years. If you have any questions about the military I would be glad to answer them for you. I have a commitment of 8 years (minimum Reserve contract) and then I will be done. Although the military is not a place that I enjoy or plan on staying in it does have advantages and disadvantages.

My best advice is if the only reason she is going ROTC is so the army will pay for her schooling is not a good thing. The army treats everyone like crap, bottom line. It might be great while she is in school, but her weekends will be filled with going to FTXs (Field Training Exercises) and summers spent with camp so she can be trained whenever she gets out of school. Not to mention she will have to take military classes and get up at 4am every morning to do physical exercise while she is in college. I'm not an officer, but I am a Staff Sergeant. If this is the route she wants to take she will have to have great time management skills because she will have alot less free time than her fellow students, along with no time off because breaks from school will be filled with menial things the military wants. Like I said, I have first hand (and continue to get) experience with the military and you can pretty much tell my stance from the post. If you need any other information feel free to PM me.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

An update on this. I went to my eye doctor today for a follow up on an eye infection and problem I've been having. I had forgotten to pick up a few items that my mentoree had requested from my hospital, so I had asked her to call me after my eye appointment, to remind me to pick them up while I was in town, since I had spaced it out a few times.

So, I was sitting in with the eye doctor. His wife is a fill in social service person at my hospital and very well liked. I hadn't realized that until recently. my cellphone rang right before the exam, I decided to answer it. It was my mentoree. So, I got to talking with the eye doctor, telling him about her. I was suddenly inspired to ask him, since I knew that 12 or so years ago when he had come to this practise, that he had gotten out of the military. So I asked him how his experience was with having the military pay and being obligated because my student/ mentoree was planning to go to ROTC. I gave him a complete background on my situation, describing the family, my dilemma, my opinion, etc.

This man is a very respectable, squeaky clean fellow, a Morman man, a model citizen, and personable and sympathetic. I told him of my fears for this girl, who is a religious girl, who wants to raise her own children, whose family is devout. He sounded as if he felt like he had a close call, almost being shipped off to Desert Storm right before entering DO school, doing rotations everywhere, and basically told me that he didn't think it was worth it, and didn't think going to an expensive private University would in anyway be worth it for nursing.

He gave me his cell number so my mentoree could talk to him. She came by today and was very, very grateful for this and plans to call him for "the inside scoop" on the military. She said that she had an interview with the recruter but "you can't believe everything they say".

I feel like I've done my duty as a mentor by giving her this resource. I also told the doctor that "That was God", I couldn't believe how everything feel into place, and since he's a Godly man, he understood.

Now my mentoree can make her own decision armed with information, with her eyes open.

So, I feel like my duty is done, and told my mentoree that she can call me anytime.

Specializes in OB.

Jls - now that this topic is pretty well resolved and it sounds like you have found a satisfactory way to deal with the situation (I'm glad you were able to!) I'd like to veer slightly off topic and let you know that I really find your disdain for the military and those who find it a viable way to serve their country rather hurtful. My son who is in the US Navy enlisted right after 9/11 out of his desire to protect his country just as did his grandfather in December of 1941. I'm extremely proud to be related to both of them. My son did not need to enlist to go to college - he had already obtained his Bachelors in Business and in Computer Science. He waited a month to sign the papers only because I asked him to be absolutely sure of his decision. He is now in his second enlistment and continues to make me very proud as he supports himself and his wife and daughter as well as his country.

This has nothing to do with supporting the current conflict (I don't) but in supporting those young people who are willing to put their own needs second to the greater good.

As I said, I waited to post this until the topic had played out, but as a parent, I just felt the need to say it.

As the daughter of an army officer I didn't feel that jlsrn was being hurtful. I also didn't sense any disdain for the service. She was concerned about this girl being torn away from her family. As a mother of a member of the armed forces I'm sure you can sympathize with that. That is a reality of military service and of course she didn't want that to happen to this girl.

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) she was worried that this girl wasn't going into the service because she wanted to but was rather responding to parental pressure.

She then calmly and no doubt rationally explained her concerns and left it up to the girl.

This is a commitment no one should take lightly and without all the facts. I thank jlsrn for caring so deeply for this girl. :)

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

I don't have disdain for military service, however I don't trust the government to tell the truth, I didn't agree with going to Iraq. I don't particularly like the idea of this young lady surrendering so many years of her life to the service since I have more traditional values in that department regarding gender roles, although nursing isn't a combat role. My goal of making sure that my mentoree goes into this with open eyes, without my giving my personal opinions of the above things will be adequately fulfilled by her calling the eye doctor who knows what he experienced, is a respectable conservative family man, cares about young people, etc.

I'm sorry if my opinions hurt anyone, that wasn't my intent. I lived through the Vietnam period and saw many young men messed up by fighting a fruitless war, and now we are seeing our young people lose life and limb trying to bring peace to a region of the world where ancient religious and ethnic hatreds run very deep, and the possiblity of fulfilling our stated goals is slim, all at a great loss of life on both sides.

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.
let you know that I really find your disdain for the military and those who find it a viable way to serve their country rather hurtful.

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As I said, I waited to post this until the topic had played out, but as a parent, I just felt the need to say it.

My sentiments as well.

I also felt strongly that this was not the OP's place to steer this young girl in a direction not in accordance with her parents' wishes. The vary nature of parenting includes passing on your values to your children. It also includes, hopefully, raising them to leave home and go out and stake their own place in the world.

I had the sense that this had everything to do with the OP's disdain for military service, and I personally feel that she implied disdain for this girls parents and their values as well. Not a good situation.

Specializes in midwifery, NICU.

jls..I admire how you have backed up your opinions on this thread, and justified your feelings regarding this young life you mentor. There have been some great points made here, yours being strong amongst them. Good for you for voicing your concerns and then having the back bone to follow those concerns up!:bow:

I cant say if I agree or disagree with your point, but thats by the by. hypocritically, i would not want my children to go into the services, but my husband was for years and years in the British Army, in fact was an exemplary soldier. The fact that he was in Northern Ireland, during the troubles there, for six months of my first pregnancy coloured that a bit. Then we lived in army bases, had to check under our car with a mirror etc, for fear of IRA bombings, again coloured my view, and before my kiddos were old enough, I WANTED out of it. But, thats me.

If for others, that is the path they wish to follow, then how brave they must be. this young girl may have the time of her life, may not see any action in a foreign country, or in a warzone. You can only hope.

I just wished to say, I think you have cared about her lifes path, and that is to be comended. If only every youngster had a person who was willing to guide them, who cared about their welfare and future hapiness, then the next generation would be lucky.

You are a good person, with good intentions jls, that is evident.

Specializes in Going for NICU or OB!.
Hi,

I agree with bagladyrn. This girl is a young adult fully capable of making her own decisions.

NOTE: Sorry if the topic is kind of "over" - I didn't read through all the pages of the topic as I'm trying to rush and study for an English final :)

As a 19 year old girl researching different schools and options for becoming a nurse, I just have to say that while I so appreciate when my parents and others let me make my own decisions, I don't think that at 19, either me or this girl that jls talking about, have 1/2 the experience that the older adults around us do. I think that helping kids to see what options are out there for them is important, is sure has been for me! I also happen to be opposed to the Iraq war, but I fully 100% support the troops and everyone that is putting their life on the line to help others. It's not the troops' fault where they are sent and what they're told to do. My own brother has been serving in the US Navy for almost 6 years, so I obviously support him and everything he's given up! I don't think that jls has a "disdain for the military," and I don't appreciate when pro-war people say that about anti-war people (that they don't support the troops and are anti-American and all that). I think that everyone should be allowed their own opinion, we thankfully live in a country that lets us speak our mind and believe whatever we want! Thank God for that. Just because jls happens to be against the war doesn't mean that she is trying to "steer" this mentoree down the anti-war path. I have wonderful mentors in my life and lots of resources (not financially, but the ability to find information and research things), and wonderful parents that accept and support me no matter what.

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Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that I think that support from other adults (like jls is giving this girl she is mentoring) is priceless. It has helped me through hard times and will continue to. I am so thankful for the adults and friends in my life who share their opinions and experience with me and then help me and/or let me decide on my own what it is that's best for me or what I want. Hopefully this is making sense! Sorry to ramble, I just feel like this doesn't have to be a matter of opinions on a certain government or war, but rather that jls should be applauded for having such genuine concern for this girl. I'm sure so many kids would avoid stupid decisions and non-informed choices if they had someone as caring as the OP! I'm so thankful that I don't have to go off to war, and at the same time, I'm so thankful for my brother and everyone else who does it to serve.

That's all I've got. I feel like I totally rambled here, but hopefully I made my point? Sorry if not.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

The last two posts from Grace and Danissa are very thoughtful and articulate. No, I'm not down on our military forces, nor have I ever commented on politics to this girl or even said anything negative about her decision. I've been pondering for months how or even if to bring up this subject. Fortunately, I was able to resolve this by giving her the number of someone who will give her information on exactly what she can expect as a medical person going into the ROTC. My eye doctor didn't confide his opinion of the war in Iraq with me. He did discuss the potential impact that serving in the military has on one's family life, and that alternate funding routes are available.

Incidentally, this girl does not belong to a family that is particularly oriented towards the military. Her father didn't serve, and neither the mother, nor any of her 5 older siblings which includes 3 brothers. Her parents are ardent supporters of our current president and his policies, however.

Anyways, thanks for all the imput, this issue is resolved for me, and if the moderators so choose, they can close the thread. Thanks!

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