well its not actually leakage, similar tho. our teacher took at least 15 questions (out of 50 questions) from our last exam from an nclex practice exam. get this, more than half the class failed and about 10 ppl scored high marks (of course they knew about the source) i found out after the exam. (i passed with very low marks)
my question is this: can i complain to the dean about this? arent teachers suppose to get questions from sources that students can get their hands to?
it becomes a big deal when ur not passing the course. has any of ur teachers taken 15q in 1 test? and that 15 being her "hard" questions. the other 30 questions were easy, if u got them all right, u still wouldnt be passing. now that 15 questions become the crucial q's. now do u see why the 15 q's make the difference? thats whats making me crazy. these students that had 90's were also making the minimum grade, but they knew about the source, but in reality they should also be in the failing mark. i could make a point to the dean that this exam was not reflective of what the students really know. if we know the answers to her questions, what becomes the purpose of the exam then? why are we taking the exam if we already know the answers to it?
it has become a problem for me even though im passing because i feel so bad for the ppl that failed. theyre good students and theyre doing what theyre supposed to (working their a$$es off for this class)
im so angry, i feel like i must do something about this. but what can i do to justify this whole issue?
Is there some reason that those who failed couldn't answer the Nclex questions? Was the material not covered in lecture or material? I think that unless the material was not covered, then it would probably do no good to complain to the dean or instructor. The students should be able to answer those questions, whether they ever saw them before or not.
Speaking for myself, I would be pretty ticked if the instructor threw out a question because not everyone was willing to go the extra mile and look through additional resources. I study from the Saunders Nclex guide all the time, plus the textbooks have cd's and study guide that I use. I've seen questions from all of them on our test, sometimes word for word. Our instructors have very strongly advised us to use these resources and I have. I don't see it as some kind of unfair advantage, because all the students have access to the same info, should they choose to use it.
i think what happened was my teacher looked at that particular nclex book...answered all the questions under GI. and after she was done, gathered all the questions that she couldnt answer herself and included it in our exam. the questions were not the 1st grade type ones. im talking about u know when u read a particular question with an answer that u cant seem to figure out what the rationale is, even tho the cd/book gives it but it still doesnt make sense, u kind of just throw it in the back of ur head because u couldnt understand it. the kind of questions that u have to memorize becuase u cant understand why the answer was thay way. those kind of questions. i wish passing nursing was as clear cut as facts in the textbook, but its not.
theres no such thing as "covering it in class". if that was a possible argument, heck i have a lot of things to complain to the dean. if its important nursing care u have to know it. the instructors do not have to necessarily teach it in class. thats like spoon feeding man.
theres no such thing as "covering it in class". if that was a possible argument, heck i have a lot of things to complain to the dean. if its important nursing care u have to know it. the instructors do not have to necessarily teach it in class. thats like spoon feeding man.
Yeah, we can't cover everything in class either. However, we were told that if it is on the syllabus as required reading, then you are expected to know it for the tests.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "1st grade questions" versus ones that don't make any sense at all. I have not come across those as yet. Have you had a chance to look at the Nclex study guides yet? They are a rich source of information, not only because of the practice questions, but they teach how to narrow down the answers, how to prioritize and eliminate, and they do a pretty good review on each of the systems of the body and the disease processes associated with each. I strongly encourage anyone who hasn't done it to get a Nclex practice book. :)
Yeah, we can't cover everything in class either. However, we were told that if it is on the syllabus as required reading, then you are expected to know it for the tests.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "1st grade questions" versus ones that don't make any sense at all. I have not come across those as yet. Have you had a chance to look at the Nclex study guides yet? They are a rich source of information, not only because of the practice questions, but they teach how to narrow down the answers, how to prioritize and eliminate, and they do a pretty good review on each of the systems of the body and the disease processes associated with each. I strongly encourage anyone who hasn't done it to get a Nclex practice book. :)
not really. a lot of the procedures, theyre not in the syllabus but nevertheless theyre important n u have to be familiar with it.
u'll see. when u get to med-surg, its all waiting for u. in aids/immune, ooh i cant tell u how much.
yes i have. ill probably seeing all the nclex books soon. ill tell u how many nclex books i have...5 books! & ive just added 5 cd's as well to my collection. woohoo, more stuff to read.
I would keep quiet about the whole situation, and just from now on also use NCLEx book for studying. Sometimes rocking the boat will just make it all back fire.
its easier to be quiet but i cant help but wonder about the failing students. i know its not my problem and im not responsible for them. i feel bad, i know we're suppose to be together on this and help each other thru this. if i were failing i would want somebody to care and try to help me.
its easier to be quiet but i cant help but wonder about the failing students. i know its not my problem and im not responsible for them. i feel bad, i know we're suppose to be together on this and help each other thru this. if i were failing i would want somebody to care and try to help me.
If you want to help the "failing students" then advise them to include the NCLEX test taking questions in their study regime... just like most other nursing students do. And the previous poster probably meant that you would be wise to keep silent and not rock the boat on this issue with your instructors... If your program is like most others, 1/2 of your grade is pretty subjective, i.e. how do your instructors "feel" you are doing in clinical... in which case you might want to consider keeping your head down and saving your righteous anger for more important issues.
all the material within the assigned reading. Our program is nuts!! WE covered all of OB in three weeks and had a test. 12+ chapters in the maternal child book. I did not sleep much and studied around the clock. It's nuts. 1/2 the class failed. How much time do you all get to study something like that?
Update: we just had another test. i counted how many questions came out. at least 20 out of 50. i got the highest score, along with another girl. its friggin ridiculous. its like a game. this is just not right.
It seems simple to me, study both the notes/class book and nclex book.
WOW, I'm in the wrong program!! You all get enough time to study that much material. I'm studying 12+ hours per day and more if not in class or clinical. I wish I had that much time. Our program is so accellerated. Is this normal??????
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theres no such thing as "covering it in class". if that was a possible argument, heck i have a lot of things to complain to the dean. if its important nursing care u have to know it. the instructors do not have to necessarily teach it in class. thats like spoon feeding man.