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Need advice: leakage for test questions

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well its not actually leakage, similar tho. our teacher took at least 15 questions (out of 50 questions) from our last exam from an nclex practice exam. get this, more than half the class failed and about 10 ppl scored high marks (of course they knew about the source) i found out after the exam. (i passed with very low marks)

my question is this: can i complain to the dean about this? arent teachers suppose to get questions from sources that students can get their hands to?

it becomes a big deal when ur not passing the course. has any of ur teachers taken 15q in 1 test? and that 15 being her "hard" questions. the other 30 questions were easy, if u got them all right, u still wouldnt be passing. now that 15 questions become the crucial q's. now do u see why the 15 q's make the difference? thats whats making me crazy. these students that had 90's were also making the minimum grade, but they knew about the source, but in reality they should also be in the failing mark. i could make a point to the dean that this exam was not reflective of what the students really know. if we know the answers to her questions, what becomes the purpose of the exam then? why are we taking the exam if we already know the answers to it?

it has become a problem for me even though im passing because i feel so bad for the ppl that failed. theyre good students and theyre doing what theyre supposed to (working their a$$es off for this class)

im so angry, i feel like i must do something about this. but what can i do to justify this whole issue?

jenrninmi, MSN, RN

Specializes in L&D. Has 11 years experience.

I don't know what to say. My instructors actually recommend that the students buy a NCLEX preparation book to help study from. I use an NCLEX preparation book and other sources to study from, and I don't consider this cheating.

the difference is, none of the questions come out in ur test right?

our questions are exactly the same in the nclex practice exams.

i had to study so much stuff i didnt have time to look at all the nclex books. im not fond of reading nclex books anyway. i wont retain anything that way.

get this: she specifically said she doesnt take questions from nclex books. figging witch.

jenrninmi, MSN, RN

Specializes in L&D. Has 11 years experience.

the difference is, none of the questions come out in ur test right?

Probably not, but some are similar.

Our instructors took questions directly out of NCLEX review books - exact wording and everything. It's not about knowing the answer, it's about knowing how to answer the question. We used the review books as a study guide but never knew which review book would have the test questions, if any. And, yes - we had all the notes and text from class to study also. Are the review books recommended as a resource for your class? If not, get one -- you'll need it later on anyway.

100% of our class passed NCLEX first time so, despite the pain of reviewing yet another source, it was worth it in the end.

ok i see what u mean that the teacher didnt do anything wrong with taking test questions from a practice book. all the while i thought they had qbanks that they pay several thousands of dollars for. ive heard a teacher say she gets questions from books and twists them around. i have no problem with that.

but taking questions from books exactly as they are, its unfair and quite stupid. i want to learn the right way. i dont want to memorize questions after questions. see the effect on the students will be, ppl will only be memorizing test questions and answers on the book and not study at all. for instance, one girl who failed the two prior exams and got a high mark on the last one told me, "ive abandoned the text book and ill just do questions". i know now why.

am i being overdrmatic for feeling this way? nobody seems to understand how i feel.:o

Our instructors took questions directly out of NCLEX review books - exact wording and everything. It's not about knowing the answer, it's about knowing how to answer the question.

its about knowing the exact answer(and they did, bec they knew abt the source!) ppl who were failing suddenly got high marks. what, suddenly it just clicked? they knew how to answer in one night? puhleese.

sorry im too upset right now.

RainDreamer, BSN, RN

Specializes in NICU. Has 13 years experience.

I don't see anything wrong with taking a question directly from an NCLEX review book, BUT it should follow with the lecture/textbook material. If the question doesn't cover the material in your textbook, then I don't think that's right. You should be able to look in your book and pick out the rationale in the question. If the textbook doesn't cover it, I don't think it's fair for it to be covered. There's just too many books out there, and it's impossible to read every nursing textbook and review book to try to guess what will be covered.

In regard to using test bank questions, yes they do come with each textbook but they are such bad questions. I have to rewrite questions which take a long time. As an instructor, I try to get my students to use critical thinking which is what the nclex will require. I do encourage my students to get a review book and there is also one in reserve in our library for those who can afford to pay for one. I'm sure your instructor wants to get you "ready" for the type of questions nclex will ask.

TLC RN

Specializes in CVICU. Has 1 years experience.

15/50 questions is only 30% of the test. In order to pass, you would still have to study your notes and book etc. It seems simple to me, study both the notes/class book and nclex book. If you got low passing marks this past test and get the book you could end up with high scores next test.

If you really have a problem with it go to the professor and her way of testing I would go talk to her.

In regard to using test bank questions, yes they do come with each textbook but they are such bad questions. I have to rewrite questions which take a long time. As an instructor, I try to get my students to use critical thinking which is what the nclex will require. I do encourage my students to get a review book and there is also one in reserve in our library for those who can afford to pay for one. I'm sure your instructor wants to get you "ready" for the type of questions nclex will ask.

well shes not teaching anybody critical thinking when all u have to do is read every damn review book on earth to pass her exams.

so is it a common practice for instructors to get their questions from review books? ive been through 4 nursing teachers but never as ridiculous as this. i might see 1 or 2 questions in an exam taken from a review book but never, 15 in 1 test. thats friggin 30 pts right there! i could have taken that exam with my eyes closed and still pass, if i knew back then.

it almost feels like we're the stupid ones that didnt know where she got her questions from. we're the idiots that didnt look through all the review books. so we should just feel sorry for ourselves for lacking resourcefulness? is that how students pass the program nowadays, depending on how much review books they buy? its so sad.

jenrninmi, MSN, RN

Specializes in L&D. Has 11 years experience.

well shes not teaching anybody critical thinking when all u have to do is read every damn review book on earth to pass her exams.

so is it a common practice for instructors to get their questions from review books? ive been through 4 nursing teachers but never as ridiculous as this. i might see 1 or 2 questions in an exam taken from a review book but never, 15 in 1 test. thats friggin 30 pts right there! i could have taken that exam with my eyes closed and still pass, if i knew back then.

it almost feels like we're the stupid ones that didnt know where she got her questions from. we're the idiots that didnt look through all the review books. so we should just feel sorry for ourselves for lacking resourcefulness? is that how students pass the program nowadays, depending on how much review books they buy? its so sad.

I understand why you're upset, but again, unless the questions she put on the exam were not covered in your notes or in your text book I don't think there's much you can do.

rn undisclosed name

Specializes in Telemetry, Oncology, Progressive Care. Has 4 years experience.

I don't see why you're so upset. Those who don't study from the book and only from nclex books will only hurt themselves in the long run. I would never study just the question. Sorry I'd want to understand the material so I could answer the question right every time.

As long as you know the material you should be able to answer the question no matter where your instructor got the question from. If people aren't motivated to study then it's their problem and they're not going to pass the nclex and they won't be a nurse.

Kelly

ETA: I use many sources to study. I use the textbook, notes, nclex review book, study guide for the test, and the cd that comes with my textbook and has nclex style questions on the test. I don't rely on just one source.

RainDreamer, BSN, RN

Specializes in NICU. Has 13 years experience.

Those who don't study from the book and only from nclex books will only hurt themselves in the long run. I would never study just the question. Sorry I'd want to understand the material so I could answer the question right every time.

As long as you know the material you should be able to answer the question no matter where your instructor got the question from. If people aren't motivated to study then it's their problem and they're not going to pass the nclex and they won't be a nurse.

I totally agree!! If they're only studying the review books to memorize the answers they are only hurting themselves, because when it's time to take the NCLEX they won't understand the material! All these semesters of nursing school are preparing us for the NCLEX, that's it! If they get 100% on all these exams and graduate with high marks, it won't mean jack if they can't pass the NCLEX. What good is it to have a ADN/BSN if you don't pass the boards and have no nursing license?!

Don't worry about their grades. Who cares if they are passing exams now, even though they weren't before? Study like you were before, study your textbook, lecture notes, etc. And now that you have the information on the review book, study that too! Like a previous poster said, 15/50 is 30% of the test. So if you study the review book then that gives you 15/50.... now study the textbook and lecture notes for the other 70% of the test.

Good luck!

im upset because the other students clearly had an edge over us.

its like being in a race, only the opponents were already in the middle of the race even before starting it. its not fair.

if they hadnt known about the source, we could all have gotten several questions wrong. and if 70% of the students didnt get the question, that question gets thrown off. but instead these ppl got the questions right, because they stumbled upon them while they were "reading", and we all looked like idiots for getting the questions wrong.

if u were one of the students who failed, wouldnt u go bezerk too? that test carried a great deal of our total grade because it was a midterm. so failing that test meant they also have a failing average. not a lot of ppl know yet. if the class knew, oh that would be a riot.

i know my material, thats why im still passing even w/o reading the darn nclex book. im complaining because it just doesnt feel right. we all worked so hard to get here, only to feel like weve been scammed

fleasle

Specializes in Transplant.

i want to learn the right way. i dont want to memorize questions after questions. see the effect on the students will be, ppl will only be memorizing test questions and answers on the book and not study at all. for instance, one girl who failed the two prior exams and got a high mark on the last one told me, "ive abandoned the text book and ill just do questions". i know now why.

I can appreciate why you would feel the way you do. Think about it like this for a second...YOU studied and KNOW the material, they don't. YOU will be prepared for the NCLEX, THEY won't. Plus, memorizing 15 questions doesn't help with the other 35.

My instructors do take questions from NCLEX books, and I don't own every single NCLEX book either. I review the ones I do own and if they show up on a test, great. If they don't though, I am still prepared because I studied my a$$ off and KNOW the material. They are only hurting themselves by studying the NCLEX books only. If they get higher grades on the tests, so what....it will cost them in the end when they pay $200 each time they have to retake the NCLEX.

While YOU are all the wiser.

Just my 2 cents.

fleasle

Specializes in Transplant.

I don't see why you're so upset. Those who don't study from the book and only from nclex books will only hurt themselves in the long run. I would never study just the question. Sorry I'd want to understand the material so I could answer the question right every time.

As long as you know the material you should be able to answer the question no matter where your instructor got the question from. If people aren't motivated to study then it's their problem and they're not going to pass the nclex and they won't be a nurse.

Kelly

ETA: I use many sources to study. I use the textbook, notes, nclex review book, study guide for the test, and the cd that comes with my textbook and has nclex style questions on the test. I don't rely on just one source.

I couldn't agree more.

I understand you are upset but the first thing you learn in nursing school is LIFE IS NOT FAIR. You wrote that it is not fair that those students knew what to study. Well later on you will learn that it is not fair that some students get better patient assignments than you, get the better clinical teacher, etc. Nothing about nursing school is fair and you will realize when you graduate how great it is to be done and none of that stuff matters.

And hopefully when you are done and pass your boards you will silently thank that teacher for giving you NCLEX review questions so you know how to pass boards. I dont understand that you are mad that she copies them word for word but it would be ok if she reworded them. What is the difference? And teachers really are just looking out to make you the best nurse you can be, she's not trying to flunk you all.

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