Nazi-esque Black Lives Matter Protesters

OUxPhys, BSN, RN · Aug 27, 2020

13 minutes ago, Rill said:

I've heard of white supremacists (read: current conservatism climate in the US since ~2015, now spreading through Europe; also read: nazism) shooting up synagogues, shooting up schools, don't you dare. Don't you dare compare protesting for human lives, for the US to quit incarcerating to prison slavery for private company profits and killing people of color, non-Christians, indigenous folks, neurodivergent folks, trans folks, all of us-- to nazism. Asking people to show support does not force anyone to do anything. That's not nazism, at all. The rates of murder and mistreatment of people who aren't white, Christian, straight, cisgender, etc? That is. Also, look at who marches with guns on government property! Is that black lives matter? No! It's a bunch of anti-mask, conservative tools who actively promote this abuse.

I agree with just about everything except one thing: they weren't asking, they were harassing and that's not OK. The problem most people have is that its not just BLM anymore but its more of a reason to riot, loot, and destroy. Also, let's not act like those "protesting" are tolerant of people who disagree because they're not. See Portland.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 27, 2020

2 hours ago, emtb2rn said:

Here’s a link to a ny post story that has videos & still photos. Pictures may disturb some as it’s raw footage showing gsw victims. The only weapon I see is the long gun wielded by rittenhouse.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/26/videos-capture-wild-moments-that-led-to-deadly-shootings-in-kenosha/

Police recovered a loaded handgun from the scene near where Rittenhouse murdered a skateboarder. It's not clear if the openly armed white boys were carrying more than one weapon. That certainly wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

I wonder who the boy called after he looked at his victim dying from the gunshot to his head. He said straight up that he had just killed someone before running off. Who would you call with that news when you're 17...your mom?. The police who invited you there?

guest416560 · Aug 27, 2020

From the pictures I posted it appears to be the skateboarder who had a pistol in his hand. If so its not beyond comprehension that Rittenhouse fired his weapon in self defense. If I'm being chased down the road by someone with a handgun and I have a rifle I'm fairly sure I'm going to use my rifle in self defense. I don't want to be a victim of the BLM mob.

Rill · Aug 27, 2020

15 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

If you get in my face, threaten me with violence if I don't raise my fist to support your cause you are not better than a Nazi forcing a regular German to join their political party. If you try to burn a police precinct building with police officers inside and block the exit doors trying to kill them you resemble a Nazi. The Nazis didn't begin exterminating Jews in the beginning. No, it was a political party forcing their wishes upon everyone who didn't agree with them. If you didn't agree and join the party you were shot, your family shot and your house burned to the ground.

Huh. Well, check out a history book, because the US government started with extermination (lynchings, hangings, "gay panic" -> oh look, police panicking because a black person reached into their pocket or is hard of hearing). Or, look at how the police were treating peaceful protesters. I'm not saying that it's okay to threaten anyone with violence for not actively showing support. However, you really need to check yourself on it being BLM that's responsible for this climate.

Shauntil07, LVN · Aug 27, 2020

3 hours ago, FNP2B1 said:

So new pictures are coming out showing that the accused Kenosha shooter was being chased by BLM rioters with handguns. He is going to have a great case of self defense. The truth always comes out in the end even if you may not like it.

They chased him down because in the video you could hear people shouted "He just shot somebody." That was the first person who was killed. They didn't just pounce on him. As a matter of fact, they actually let him run by with his gun until somebody shouted it out. I watched that video LIVE and saw the events as they played out. He was not using self-defense and Anthony Huber tried to disarm him as also the young man who got shot in the arm did too. If you want to watch those videos for yourself (if they didn't take them down yet), go CJ TV. He has those videos on there.

guest416560 · Aug 27, 2020

Unfortunately we don't have the videos showing the initial shooting. If protesters were assaulting Rittenhouse and he feared for his life he had every right to use lethal force to protect his life. You don't know and I don't know what happened. It's all speculation at this point.

Rill · Aug 27, 2020

35 minutes ago, OUxPhys said:

I agree with just about everything except one thing: they weren't asking, they were harassing and that's not OK. The problem most people have is that its not just BLM anymore but its more of a reason to riot, loot, and destroy. Also, let's not act like those "protesting" are tolerant of people who disagree because they're not. See Portland.

It's not BLM that are turning it into a reason to riot, loot, and destroy, and that's important to remember. It's also not okay to harass. So is it too that not showing support is, in terms of marginalized groups, advocacy against them (or, to put simpler, Group A is bigger. Group B is smaller. Someone who does not gesture in favor of either group is automatically assumed to support Group A, and society at large will count them amongst Group A). There's a reason they're not tolerant of people who disagree with them, and it's because those people are disagreeing with their fundamental human rights, whether actively or by impartiality.

The US has a lot of problems right now. No offense, but it's time for them to be addressed. It's been time for them to be addressed for a very long time. All protest currently looks like rioting to our government, any display, no matter how peaceful, of disagreeance with the status quo. And frankly, nothing changes in this country without genuine rioting. Our economy, for the working class and below, is absolutely terrible. Looting of big corporations, at this time, isn't the most immoral thing one could do. Your $'s being stolen by corporations and CEOs. Let the people eat.

Look at the corruption and bias of the healthcare field, given how expensive even insulin is versus the cost of production, given how ideas of black women not feeling as much pain are still taught, of black people having "thicker skin."

Shauntil07, LVN · Aug 27, 2020

1 minute ago, FNP2B1 said:

Unfortunately we don't have the videos showing the initial shooting. If protesters were assaulting Rittenhouse and he feared for his life he had every right to use lethal force to protect his life. You don't know and I don't know what happened. It's all speculation at this point.

Yeah, I don't know if there is video from the first shooting. I just saw after the initial shooting happened to when this shooting happened. The argument will come down to self-defense vs. morally should you have been there. I hope the justice system will do what's right but I don't know @FNP2B1. I can't defend a 17 year old being somewhere he shouldn't have been but if police tell protesters they should go home, I can't argue with that either. So I'm a little on the fence with everything. I support why the protesters are upset. You protest peacefully and nothing happens. You only do that for so long before you finally do some thing drastic to get somebody's (anybody's) attention. However, I can't necessarily agree that looting and burning is right either. But we as humans have not figured out what is "the right way" to satisfy both sides. It's just unfortunate that we are still fighting this issue... ?

Rill · Aug 27, 2020

6 minutes ago, Shauntil07 said:

Yeah, I don't know if there is video from the first shooting. I just saw after the initial shooting happened to when this shooting happened. The argument will come down to self-defense vs. morally should you have been there. I hope the justice system will do what's right but I don't know @FNP2B1. I can't defend a 17 year old being somewhere he shouldn't have been but if police tell protesters they should go home, I can't argue with that either. So I'm a little on the fence with everything. I support why the protesters are upset. You protest peacefully and nothing happens. You only do that for so long before you finally do some thing drastic to get somebody's (anybody's) attention. However, I can't necessarily agree that looting and burning is right either. But we as humans have not figured out what is "the right way" to satisfy both sides. It's just unfortunate that we are still fighting this issue... ?

Yeah, to all of that except the police. The unfortunate thing is that there really is no satisfying both sides, when the issue is human rights. Obviously that kid's going to need to face justice [however, preferably not the skewed justice that a white kid vs a kid of any other race would]. In the big scheme, it's either we support [all] of our people as a society or all of this is going to get worse, for all of us. The abuse of human rights, the necessity of protests, all of it.

guest416560 · Aug 27, 2020

I'm all for equal justice under the law. I don't care what color, creed, nationality of sexual orientation you want to claim we should all be equal in the eyes of the law.

What I detest is the burning, the rioting, the destruction of private businesses, private property and the physical injuries inflicted upon the innocent because you are mad about perceived social injustices. There are proper ways for change.

Injuring innocent people and destroying property is not the answer. Those actions defeat your purpose. I now see lawlessness and rioters every night on TV rather than any political message you want me to comprehend.

OUxPhys, BSN, RN · Aug 27, 2020

28 minutes ago, Rill said:

It's not BLM that are turning it into a reason to riot, loot, and destroy, and that's important to remember. It's also not okay to harass. So is it too that not showing support is, in terms of marginalized groups, advocacy against them (or, to put simpler, Group A is bigger. Group B is smaller. Someone who does not gesture in favor of either group is automatically assumed to support Group A, and society at large will count them amongst Group A). There's a reason they're not tolerant of people who disagree with them, and it's because those people are disagreeing with their fundamental human rights, whether actively or by impartiality.

The US has a lot of problems right now. No offense, but it's time for them to be addressed. It's been time for them to be addressed for a very long time. All protest currently looks like rioting to our government, any display, no matter how peaceful, of disagreeance with the status quo. And frankly, nothing changes in this country without genuine rioting. Our economy, for the working class and below, is absolutely terrible. Looting of big corporations, at this time, isn't the most immoral thing one could do. Your $'s being stolen by corporations and CEOs. Let the people eat.

Look at the corruption and bias of the healthcare field, given how expensive even insulin is versus the cost of production, given how ideas of black women not feeling as much pain are still taught, of black people having "thicker skin."

Except it isn't just corporations they are looting. It's mom and pop stores as well. Sorry, it's not justified regardless of the current climate. Harassing people in order to show support isn't justified either.

Hopefully after this election we can get the right people in to improve the economy for the working class and to reign in the corporations and the greed amongst the wealthy. Im all for healthcare reform, although I was never taught black women tolerate pain because they have "thicker skin".

Rill · Aug 27, 2020

1 minute ago, FNP2B1 said:

What I detest is the burning, the rioting, the destruction of private businesses, private property and the physical injuries inflicted upon the innocent because you are mad about perceived social injustices. There are proper ways for change.

These aren't perceived social injustices, these are blatant human rights abuses. Injuring innocent people definitely isn't the answer. The other items mentioned do not defeat the purpose. The current acceptable "proper ways for change" is asking nicely, or ignorably, and being ignored. Protesting will never be societally acceptable, in any of its forms, as it's fundamentally a display of disagreeance. When you look at the media, don't just watch it, ask yourself why that's what it's showing. We all need to think critically about these issues, because in the US, they're not going away until they're resolved, and that won't likely happen for a very long time. [All social justice in this country has taken decades, centuries to get to where we are now].