We were in NUR 105 (Pharm) and the professor said at least 5 times "Put your phones on silent! Better yet, turn it off or leave it in the car!" (I leave mine in the car--always. Again, he stressed this MANY, MANY times. Sure enough, 5 minutes later, this gal's phone went off down in her purse. She didn't even have the gall to look embarrassed! She just looked at the screen to see who was calling, then casually turned it off. We were all flabbergasted at her lack of concern--I would've died a thousand deaths of embarrassment!!!!
Then, in this same class, there's this girl who was in Micro with me last semester. She was always "fashionably late" (15 min. or so) to class, and I thought our prof would blow his top! Sure enough, she comes into Pharm late as usual on the first day. Then today, she waltzed in 15 minutes late, just as he was collecting up our quizzes. She tried to wheedle it out of him to "please let me take it quickly" but he was like "sorry."
Maybe it's me--I'm 40 and old-fashioned when it comes to common courtesies. Are basic tenets of social etiquette just NOT being taught to the younger generation now? Here in South Carolina, MY kids sure learn it, lest they have a run-in "behind the woodshed" LOL!
It's bad enough to see this kind of rudeness displayed by students, but for the professors to not lay down the law and lock the doors after 5 minutes (or something like that) just seems to be enabling these socially-ignorant clods. Sorry...just had to vent!
Well, though I have reservations about taking it up with the instructor, I don't have ANY reservations about speaking to the students themselves. Perhaps that is the way I will handle it.
Regarding the phones, this is what I wish an instructor would do: one day at church, someone in the congregations's phone went off, and they were trying to speak quietly into it. The pastor stopped his sermon...after a minute or so, the person on the phone noticed Pastor wasn't talking anymore, and gave a "I'll just be another minute" look. Pastor was then like, "Oh, take your time...we'll just wait." The person hung up almost immediately out of embarrassment! Hahaha!
Hi to the original poster. I share your frustration about inconsiderate colleagues in training. As you know when a person qualifies for a nurse, its about all round behaviour:
This relates to professional conduct, by that I mean:-
Punctuality
Attendance/Sickness
Communication skills with colleagues and patients
Competence (this is built up)
Skills
Knowledge etc.
Your colleague who likes to turn up late for every academic session you have, will find herself coming up a cropper one day when she reminded about her tardiness, attitude etc. Employers will not always allow 15 minutes lateness each time. It wont take long before other future colleagues will get ****** with
Constant lateness - (have you ever had to keep waiting for the SAME nurse who persistently turns up late), I have and it ****** me off.
Or the colleague is who constantly calling sick (again I have and it ****** me off).
It wont take long - so dont worry about your colleague, when she finds herself losing pay, getting fired, or written up for it (as you call it - we have a different system in the UK). She WILL definately change her ways. Just keep being a good student and having the right attitude you will go along way. Oh and just for the record (know this) employers take a DIM view of nurses who are persistently late or who call in sick. Again my advice to you is keep going with your traiining, you will make a good nurse one day. Take care.
Thank you all for taking the time to send me some advice on this problem *hugs to all!*
Y'all know what really galls me though, about people who are constantly late? Besides having a husband (who is a tremendous help, BTW!) and a house to look after, I have 3 kids: 19, 14, and 10. Additionally, our youngest son (the 10 year old) has Asperger's Syndrome (high-functioning autism). I get everyone up, fed, and out of the house to school (I stay with the youngest at the bus stop till the bus comes--I'm not sending an autistic kid to the bus stop alone!), and I STILL manage to get to school a half-hour early!
So with all that I have to contend with in the morning, why is it that I can still manage to get to school a half-hour early, and these lazy inconsiderate people are just strolling into the classroom 15 minutes late? Just this morning (yes, on Saturday, LOL!) we had CPR class, and we had to be there by 8am. We all got emails last week with detailed instructions on what supplies to bring, to get there early, and what lesson plans to print out.
Well, of course not only did people show up 10, 15 minutes late, but they showed up without any of their supplies (CPR book, face-breathing mask, printouts, etc.)! I am just in a state of disbelief that some people can be so doggone clueless!!!!!
Hey Elizabeth again dont worry. Failing to turn up with a pen and notepad ready for report is far worse than turning up without the stated materials for your clinicals. Again your colleagues who turn up unprepared in nursing school will find it a big shock to the system when their colleagues and patients will be relying on them to be on time and prepared. In the real world of nursing that can mean life and or death. So again do not worry. Keep going. *smiles*
We were in NUR 105 (Pharm) and the professor said at least 5 times "Put your phones on silent! Better yet, turn it off or leave it in the car!" (I leave mine in the car--always. Again, he stressed this MANY, MANY times. Sure enough, 5 minutes later, this gal's phone went off down in her purse. She didn't even have the gall to look embarrassed! She just looked at the screen to see who was calling, then casually turned it off. We were all flabbergasted at her lack of concern--I would've died a thousand deaths of embarrassment!!!!
Then, in this same class, there's this girl who was in Micro with me last semester. She was always "fashionably late" (15 min. or so) to class, and I thought our prof would blow his top! Sure enough, she comes into Pharm late as usual on the first day. Then today, she waltzed in 15 minutes late, just as he was collecting up our quizzes. She tried to wheedle it out of him to "please let me take it quickly" but he was like "sorry."
Maybe it's me--I'm 40 and old-fashioned when it comes to common courtesies. Are basic tenets of social etiquette just NOT being taught to the younger generation now? Here in South Carolina, MY kids sure learn it, lest they have a run-in "behind the woodshed" LOL!
It's bad enough to see this kind of rudeness displayed by students, but for the professors to not lay down the law and lock the doors after 5 minutes (or something like that) just seems to be enabling these socially-ignorant clods. Sorry...just had to vent!
So glad to hear from someone else from SC. I totally agree with you! Common decency has been left out of the school's curriculum. It is up to the parents of these inconsiderate morons to teach them some type of decent behavior. That was one reason I left the traditional classroom for Excelsior college. I could not deal with some of the behavior. I am not one to hold my tongue.
Yay!! I am so glad I am not the only one dealing with this!! I am always made fun of by my friends and co-workers because I am one of those people who is always early and I get a little nervous about not being on time. In my pharmacology class last semester and it was a 7:35am class, without fail, this one guy, I would say he was about 23-25 years old, would waltz in about 8:00 am every morning with a Starbucks coffee in his hand!! Seriously??? And there was a girl who sat next to me who would text throughout the whole class, and we sat in the front row! I mean really, if you are that important that you cant be without your cell phone for and hour and 15 minutes, then you need to take an online course.
I really hate this, too. We have groups of (largely international) students who ask ridiculous questions that are completely useless/irrelevant or should be looked up in an oxford dictionary. For example, we spent half of a three hour lab trying to explain the meaning of the word "intervention" (it was a key word in our care plan assignment). LOOK IT UP IN YOUR TRANSLATION BOOKS THAT YOU CARRY IN YOUR POCKETS or similar...
most international students who "waste your time with ridiculous questions" probably also speak 2-4 other languages in which they excel but instead they chose to come to the usa and pay ridiculous fees and learn a new language in a few years so they can experience the great education system that the us offers. for the hour you study, they study one extra hour looking up words we've had the luxury of hearing and knowing throughout our life....So take some time and look at their efforts as they get into the same programs you are knowing 1/2 the language... Don't judge a person by their inability to speak english.. you'll be very surprise to see what kind of person you meet.
I know that I am sick of so many of these issues, as well. No one, in my opinion, is important enough to need to be available every minute by phone! Even if they are, is it so much trouble to put it on vibrate?? Also, people that believe that they have the right to chew their gum and snap it as loudly as they choose. So, since they have the right to enjoy their snapping and popping, you have to enjoy it right along with them. I have seen people that are supposed to be professionals popping, cracking and snapping wads of bubblegum the size of a small car right at the bedside of ill patients. That would never have been acceptable when I entered this profession, but since we decided we must be tolerant of all things, I guess we must tolerate rudeness as well. Did I mention the very long fake nails???
... he explained his cell phone policy. He reaaaally hates when phones go off. So if someone's phone goes off, you would have to come to the front of lecture and sing your favorite song.
Awesome!
I wish more profs had this kind of policy. Some of them hand out class rules in their syllabus, but when the semester starts, some profs don't want to be the bad guy. So the students go on thinking it's ok to do whatever they please. I feel those professors are doing student a dis-service. Their job is to try to prepare us for the working world. How long would you last as a job when you're always 15 minutes late and you're sneaking text messages under the desk to someone?
My other pet peeve are students who start with nasty gossip the moment they're away from professors. Some of them are whining how "horrible" the teacher is (the same teacher the rest of us are doing well with). Others are belittling our college who wouldn't let them directly into the Nursing program. I guess it's easier for them to be nasty than it is to work a little harder and pull up that C- average? And there's one girl who needs classmates to copy our notes for her immediately because she was daydreaming each class, then she gripes publicly that so-and-so gave her "bad" class notes because they contained a [minor] misspelling.
Last semester we had a girl who kept trying to get us to give her our finished homework. She also tried to get test questions if exams were given at different times. She won't do the work on her own, and then she said she was "thrown under the bus" when her peers & profs didn't give her top honors last semester. If you don't want to do the work, don't blame the school or teachers when you don't get the minimum C grade you need to continue on. And definitely don't blame the Nursing Department for not admitting you the first time you apply!
Cellphone girl: She should have turned her phone on silent when he mentioned it, but I think it would have been more disruptive if she made a big deal of her cellphone ringing. Sometimes I forget to turn my sound off - nobody really calls me but I get text messages - and if it beeps, I ignore it and turn it off while the professor is not talking to the class (finding a paper or going to someone's seat for a question). I find it more disruptive when people react or apologise, the class tends to look at them, the professor responds, etc. But she should have turned it off when he mentioned it.
Late girl: Things happen and people will be late periodically, but it's their loss. They shouldn't ask the rest of the class to accommodate them though.
Isn't there one in every class? The one person who always asks the most ridiculous questions...about information that we don't even need to know. There is always that other person who shares a personal anecdote in regards to every major topic. I've had "that" person be in their mid-50's to their early 20's, so I really don't think that it has anything to do with someone's age...more like it has to do with their maturity level.
One of my friends, several years ago, coughed and said "Office hours!" in the middle of class to get his classmate to shut up. Apparently, it worked.
Several years ago, in the middle of a chemistry FINAL, a girl answered her cell phone and actually said, "I can't talk right now, I'm in the middle of a final..." Yes, that was the same girl who always came to class late and who always asked the most ridiculous questions.
I always believed there was no such thing as a stupid question...until I started college. I really don't want to sit in class & listen to you ask the professor what strange illness do they think your best friend's cousin's sister has. (Just because that person has some of the same symptoms of whatever we're covering in class that day.)
ReinventingMyselfAgain, MSN, RN
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He complained about YOU? Wow.
What's next, video cameras in the classroom to defend your actions?